Racist?

What people...? Black people? Poor people? Uneducated people? All of the above?Could you be more clear as to who are the people that we patronize, have to coddle, and have to say positive things to? Cuz I don't know of any group of people that we do this to...- Oni

yeah that is the rub. how I hear it compared to how you hear it. sounds like some dan to me talking about some nonsense, to you it sounds like something else. yeah it has been the whole time, I was making fun of KRS One for talking nonsense, somebody got it, you didn't, big deal. just three quick questions.
1. Were you born here? (hard to be Cuban if you have never been there)
2. Do you speak spanish? (hard to claim a culture and not speak the language)
3. Were you confirmed, as in the sacrement? (even if you don't belive in God, after confirmation all you can be is a bad-catholic) man I thought you wanted to drop this. ok...unlike almost all others? fo real? maybe you have never heard of: 2Pac, Blue Scholars, The Coup, Da Lench Mob, Dead Prez, The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy, Emcee Lynx, Michael Franti, The Goats, Immortal Technique, Sage Francis, Lost Children of Babylon, Lowkey, Lupe Fiasco, M.I.A. (artist), Mr. Lif, Mos Def, Native Guns, Shahin najafi, The Narcicyst, Paris, The Perceptionists, Poor Righteous Teachers, Public Enemy, Psycho Realm, Rebel Diaz, Street Sweeper Social Club, The Visionaries, Saul Williams, X-Clan... to name a few I hear ya, but bringing them up in a incorrect and misleading fashion is, whether the thought was genuine or not, not any different than propaganda. so his music isn't for informed educated people? is that what you are trying to say, I don't want to strawman you here? that is a pretty wak way to describe KRS One. its like bad education for the dumb poor people, I hope i am missing your point, because what i think im reading is messed up. are you a segregationist (SARCASM)? (let me spell it out for this one guy who wants to read everything 10 times) Blacks.

Why did you ignore the points I made and quote mined everything else?Your point was that KRS One claimed Libyans were black, that was what you made a joke about. CS at first agreed but he stated that only because he thought it was funny. And I would have also had the lyric suggested in some way that KRS One thought Libyans were black.Therefore it is not a good joke because it lacks the key element of KRS suggesting Libyans are black, and more so it is just plain wrong. CS finally admitted it.Don't ignore these points. This was how we started the debate. 1. Born here, never visited the Island. Consider myself hispanic, also in Miami refered to as Cuban-American cause I'm first generation born here.
2. Yes, perfectly well. Write it and read it too.
3. Baptism and Communion only. Fair enough, I should have said mainstream hip hop like: Ludicris, Dre, Snoop, Acon, Jay Z, LL Cool J , Nas, Biggy, Kanye West (his mainstream stuff), Missy Elliott, Scarface, Biz Markie, DMX, 50 Cent, Eminem, Lil Wayne, Flo-rida, Yig Yang Twins, Bone Thugs and Harmony, Heavy D, Sugar Hill Gang, Nelly and his bandaid, Lil John...basically any "Lil"... Fat Joe, Pit Bull, any Miami artist really...to name a few. I'm sure its for anyone who would like to listen to it, I said target audience with his message. Don't try to lead me into something I didn't say.My point is, he's considered by his community a teacher of some sorts. It may not impress you that he's called that but someone saw fit to label him that.And again, since you skipped the points I made, how is he poorly educating anyone? He never ever suggested Libyans were black. So you feel Caffeine should be thankful that "12% of his nation's population is not filled with black people"...? Message 117

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Just be thankful that 12% of your nations population is not filled with these people.

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Racist a bit?- Oni

I thought we were droppin it, as in that part of the debate. you if you want to have the last word then ok. well it always was me and cs thinking he thought black were from libya just because Libya is in africa. then you said you didn't think it was about that, and that it was about a black man leading balck troop against his homeland, except the homeland (Libya) is not a black homeland, which is still funny, because its the same piont, of KRS not having a clue what he is talking about. ok right on1. Right on. Like a Chicano, but the Cuban version. man I can't wait till they open that place up again, Ima be one of the 1st gringos there (outside of the USMC base). Dorado, Cobia, Marlin, Can't wait, fish from Key West to Havanna.
2. sounds good. I think I am going to have to agree with you here.
3. yeah I agree (i hope this aint a sign of the apocalypse) I am not trying to lead you into something and its exactly why I said what I said, because you noramlly make alot of sense (whether I agree or not), and I was starting to have trouble "hearing you".
I am going to have to ask you to restate your points (its not like you haven't had me do it), because I totally missed them. So let's say I agree with you that he never suggested that Libyans were black, he still suggested that a black general leading black troops into Libya was attack the "black" motherland, which to me is the same thing.
the somebody that labeled him tha teacha? was himself. he is a community leader because he says he is, in like 99% of his interviews.
Basically
black man leads blacks to attack not black place that is a black homeland. its silly, knowledge dont reign supreme, not in that line. yep

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Some genius out there on this site, thinks this post is racist, but all I am doing is "keeping it real".

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ha i called it.why are blacks immune to criticism? why is criticizing them racist?
Are you Black?

Correct, they aren't.

Any word can be derogatory, depending how you use it.
I was also told by one of the people who called me that, it was a term from the word cracker, some one who works hard and cracks the ground with his pick, like a slave. I could care less anyway, it's just a word.

False of course. By being cautious about muslims because their beliefs don't align with yours you are i nfact holding those beliefs against them.Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

That's not what "I thought," that's what the lyric that you quoted stated. I was just pointing out that fact. Should be awesome, I would love to go diving off of their reefs.It's currently available to do btw, even for gringos. You just have to be wealthy. Some struggling comic rejecting Catholicism is the apocalypse? I doubt that the universe cares enough about me to make me and my beliefs the center of any end-of-the-world situation. Blacks aren't immune to criticism, but you really didn't criticize them. You just said be lucky you don't have blacks in your country. That's just a bigoted statement. You gave no reason other than opinion.If you would have said, be lucky you don't have poorly educated, not very motivated people in your country; people who are prone to drug use and distrubution, people who are highly at risk to commit crimes, etc... Then at least you're not attacking anyone for the color of their skin, but for their actions; be them white, black or hispanic, everyone's race is equally shitty to some degree.And no, I'm not black. But why does that matter?- Oni

And no, I'm not black. But why does that matter? I heard about it last time I was in Key West, but I work for Uncle Sam and If i get fired for doing something stupid on Vacation, Amsterdam, Netherlands will be involved, and not illegally spending money in Cuba. No I said that because I agreed with you. I have no problem being a bigot, I am just not a racist. yeah white people are warlike and don't get along with anyone, blacks can't get thier shit together, and hispanic is not a race (you can be white hispanic, black hispanic, mestizo hispanic, mulatto hispanic, etc.)I just can't ever come up with any nations where the majority of the population is black, the government is mainly black, and the nation isn't under educated, impoverished, and where a third of the popuation or more has HIV or AIDS. There are 47 nations to choose from in Africa, and probably a dozen in the Carribean, and they all have the same shitty problems, its just weird to me.Maybe skin color has nothing to do with, maybe its all climate, and people from areas in the Tropics just fit into this, but then you get a Nation Like Costa Rica, that is in the tropics but is only 3% black, and guess what? none of the problems that the other tropical countries have!I want to believe that its not because they are black, but I just have not seen any evidence to the contrary. I realize there is evidence that says there are no races and that we are the same, but then why can they not make it the same way lighter skinned ones can? its mind boggling, from my perspective I am just reviewing my own evidence, and making a statement about it, unfourtunately its not PC so I must be called names. Being of Mexican (mestizo), hispanic descent, I forget sometimes that the carribean Hispanics can be black and hispanic sometimes (Cubanos, Puerto Ricans, Domincans, Etc.). and I was just wondering, it does not matter.

I think you meant this for me not Dr. Jones. Lol I got you. I'm just going by what the census describes us as. And you think that has to do with them being black or all of the history of exploitation, slavery, genocide, dictators, and wars that have ruined any chance of progress let alone survival?Also, the Bahamas, Bermuda, Jamaica, Cayman Islands and The Virgin Islands are amazing places where none of what you describe above takes place.In fact, compare the unemployment rate of say Bermuda (4.5%) or Grand Cayman (6%) to that of the US (9.5%). Wha??? Do you know any Costa Ricans? They can't travel back to their country due to all the guerilla warfare! In some places its as bad as Haiti; people living well bellow the poverty line, they have no schools, no paved roads, there's no police force of any kind in some areas, violence, drug abuse, disease - every problem that faces any thrid-world nation.Watch the 20min Documentry on this link: The Costa Rican Humanitarian Foundation .It has nothing to do with color, it has to do with greedy nations exploting places like Africa and South America for their resources. Then you should be well aware of how wealthy nations exploit weaker, poorer nations causing them to fall deeper into poverty.I wouldn't even call you a bigot at this point, just very ignorant.- Oni

Oh, well in that case, "Como mierda, hijo de puta!"

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Just be thankful that 12% of your nations population is not filled with these people.

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Yeah, really... First of all, that's kind of messed up to say. Secondly, it isn't even remotely accurate. Cuba is almost entirely Afro-Cuban at this point. Most of Castillian origin have fled, leaving a high percentage of Afro-Cubans on the island... Not that it matters.

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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

A mestizo is a mix between a European Spaniard and a native American (Mayan, Incan, etc). It's use is widely accepted today, but was used pejoratively in the past -- similar to our current discussion about nigger versus nigga.Are you a mestizo or are you of Castillian Spanish decent -- big difference? I am from Castillian origin. I'm actually only a quarter, which makes me look like a white boy. All I have that is unquestionably Spanish in origin is my surname.

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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

Dale singao, deja la mariconeria con el Darth Vader rosado! I think, last I heard, it was somewhere around 85% afro-cuban now. My parents were those Castillianos that left early during the Castro take over - well my mom left in '59, my dad left in '68.- Oni

well shit if Cuba is 85% black, I change my mind about going there.

Why do we let blatant racism run rampant here?Go take your KKK, white supremacism to some other forum.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World