Racist?

It's a bit different when you're a minority. WE didn't divide the races, the races were divided when we got here. White people classified blacks as different, not them. They were made to think they were different, and treated as such. We're not talking 400 years ago, we're talking about the 60's and 70's. Not very long ago, and that generation still lives today and are the parents and grandparents of those around today. They are the ones raising the kids even today, so YES, there is a deep connection to that generation who suffered greatly at the hands of a racist country.Now, I agree that no one should be expected to act a certain way, but I think you mean that their problem is they're not acting black enough? and that's why they're being called an Uncle Tom? But that isn't what is meant by an Uncle Tom.It has nothing to do with acting black and talking black, it has to do with selling out and turning your back on your people. Remember, whites don't turn their backs on their people, Jews don't either, Hispanics don't either, so why jump on blacks when they make the statement that blacks shouldn't turn their backs on each other either?All races, religions, ethnic groups stick together, why get on blacks for doing it too? You don't need to remind yourself that you're black, society will remind you every single day. Like I said, it's different for minorities. It is their history, and forgetting that is pretty fucking pathetic because it was only 40 years ago...- Oni

What people...? Black people? Poor people? Uneducated people? All of the above?Could you be more clear as to who are the people that we patronize, have to coddle, and have to say positive things to? Cuz I don't know of any group of people that we do this to...- Oni

Why did you ignore the points I made and quote mined everything else?Your point was that KRS One claimed Libyans were black, that was what you made a joke about. CS at first agreed but he stated that only because he thought it was funny. And I would have also had the lyric suggested in some way that KRS One thought Libyans were black.Therefore it is not a good joke because it lacks the key element of KRS suggesting Libyans are black, and more so it is just plain wrong. CS finally admitted it.Don't ignore these points. This was how we started the debate. 1. Born here, never visited the Island. Consider myself hispanic, also in Miami refered to as Cuban-American cause I'm first generation born here.
2. Yes, perfectly well. Write it and read it too.
3. Baptism and Communion only. Fair enough, I should have said mainstream hip hop like: Ludicris, Dre, Snoop, Acon, Jay Z, LL Cool J , Nas, Biggy, Kanye West (his mainstream stuff), Missy Elliott, Scarface, Biz Markie, DMX, 50 Cent, Eminem, Lil Wayne, Flo-rida, Yig Yang Twins, Bone Thugs and Harmony, Heavy D, Sugar Hill Gang, Nelly and his bandaid, Lil John...basically any "Lil"... Fat Joe, Pit Bull, any Miami artist really...to name a few. I'm sure its for anyone who would like to listen to it, I said target audience with his message. Don't try to lead me into something I didn't say.My point is, he's considered by his community a teacher of some sorts. It may not impress you that he's called that but someone saw fit to label him that.And again, since you skipped the points I made, how is he poorly educating anyone? He never ever suggested Libyans were black. So you feel Caffeine should be thankful that "12% of his nation's population is not filled with black people"...? Message 117

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Just be thankful that 12% of your nations population is not filled with these people.

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Racist a bit?- Oni

That's not what "I thought," that's what the lyric that you quoted stated. I was just pointing out that fact. Should be awesome, I would love to go diving off of their reefs.It's currently available to do btw, even for gringos. You just have to be wealthy. Some struggling comic rejecting Catholicism is the apocalypse? I doubt that the universe cares enough about me to make me and my beliefs the center of any end-of-the-world situation. Blacks aren't immune to criticism, but you really didn't criticize them. You just said be lucky you don't have blacks in your country. That's just a bigoted statement. You gave no reason other than opinion.If you would have said, be lucky you don't have poorly educated, not very motivated people in your country; people who are prone to drug use and distrubution, people who are highly at risk to commit crimes, etc... Then at least you're not attacking anyone for the color of their skin, but for their actions; be them white, black or hispanic, everyone's race is equally shitty to some degree.And no, I'm not black. But why does that matter?- Oni

I think you meant this for me not Dr. Jones. Lol I got you. I'm just going by what the census describes us as. And you think that has to do with them being black or all of the history of exploitation, slavery, genocide, dictators, and wars that have ruined any chance of progress let alone survival?Also, the Bahamas, Bermuda, Jamaica, Cayman Islands and The Virgin Islands are amazing places where none of what you describe above takes place.In fact, compare the unemployment rate of say Bermuda (4.5%) or Grand Cayman (6%) to that of the US (9.5%). Wha??? Do you know any Costa Ricans? They can't travel back to their country due to all the guerilla warfare! In some places its as bad as Haiti; people living well bellow the poverty line, they have no schools, no paved roads, there's no police force of any kind in some areas, violence, drug abuse, disease - every problem that faces any thrid-world nation.Watch the 20min Documentry on this link: The Costa Rican Humanitarian Foundation .It has nothing to do with color, it has to do with greedy nations exploting places like Africa and South America for their resources. Then you should be well aware of how wealthy nations exploit weaker, poorer nations causing them to fall deeper into poverty.I wouldn't even call you a bigot at this point, just very ignorant.- Oni

Dale singao, deja la mariconeria con el Darth Vader rosado! I think, last I heard, it was somewhere around 85% afro-cuban now. My parents were those Castillianos that left early during the Castro take over - well my mom left in '59, my dad left in '68.- Oni

I'd say many texts in the Hadith should be against, are against, the law, especially western law.This is pretty sick:Also:And this:Certainly in these 3 videos, you can see many things that can and should be against the law, right?You can call this fundamentalism, sure, but they get their inspiration and ways to behave from the same book; they quote from it. So somewhere they are being motivated toward this.- Oni

No, that just makes you ignorant. Saying you don't want there to exist a high concentrations of black people in any specific place, makes you a racist.Your bigotry lies in your intolerance and devotion to your opinions and prejudices.Dude, you said you wanted to go to Cuba. Then I told you Cuba was now 85% black. That fact somehow made you not want to go to Cuba anymore. Frankly, that's just some dumb, ignorant shit to say... and pointing that out to you doesn't make us equal to you.- Oni

I agree that to each individual his/her own. But to the religion itself, yes, you can. That some have chosen not to stone a homosexual or beat their wives is just that, their own choice. But if it can be documented that these religions have scriptures that demand this of their followers, then the religion has dogmas within it that are against the law. Which I thought was your question. I would say the western media, especially the right-wing media, has played a big part in demonizing Muslims. "Arty" seems totally racist, yet he likes hip hop. So my guess is that he fears black people and has a penis inferiority complex toward them.Rat to me doesn't, he seems like a devout Republican who maybe listens to the right-wing media a bit too much. I know this type because my dad fits this persona.It's not my dad's fault, he's never even meet a Muslim. The only time he sees the word "Muslim" is when it is followed by "extremist tries to bomb (fill in the blank)." He's never sat down on a subway next to one, talked to them about the Yankees, eaten at one of their restaurants - hell, I'd bet my dad doesn't even know there are different types of Muslims. He bunches them all into one radical group of extremist, and again, not because he wants to, but because that's all he's exposed to.My dad, in this matter, is just ignorant. But I wouldn't say racist.- Oni

Yeah, but listening to both sides doesn't actually make you "independent." Independent is an opinion different from both sides.Like this: z.com.netFOX is full of lies, probably the worst news source in the mainstream. But they're both corporately owned news sources that have an agenda. Everything thing they say is suspect. They're out to sell GM cars and Doritos, not give you honest journalism, IMO. Limbaugh, right? Not the band! That would be blasphamy! Sorry, didn't mean to make that about you. I meant the example more for my dad.- Oni

Its all sensationalisim and NOT journalism...its all garbage. Opinionated idiots distracting Americans with their hyperbolic nonsense. None of it is good, honest journalism with factual information.For that you would need to venture outside of the mianstream, corporate run news stations, especially those on American TV.News stations shouldn't have ANY bias, left or right. But you can't find one in this country without one, and thier objective is to divide.- Oni

Your statistical examples are irrelevant in regards to what I said. By all means avoid any area that you feel threatened in, I avoid those areas too. We would be stupid not to.My point was that, while I avoid those areas, I don't care that they exist. I don't care that there are areas with a majority of black residents, however you seem to care.That's why I said, if you didn't want these areas to exist, as in: no black populated communities, just because they're black, that makes you racist.Now, if you said, we should try to not have poor areas and help bring up neighborhoods suffering from it, then that would be cool. You're not signalling out any one specific race. I would feel just as threatened in a white trash trailer park, or in a mexican barrio. Poverty breeds criminals, race has nothing to do with it. You called us bigots for pointing out that you were sounding a bit racist in your comments.- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.

Wud up, Drone Yeah, definitely to sell. Which is more or less what I meant by divide, as in, divide into consumers and advertise to their specific interests. If I had to guess why, I'd say that entertainment attracts people. Straight forward news sans the sensationalism is, sadly, quite boring. O'reilly or the cry baby Beck are, at the very least, very good at entertaining like- minded people.- Oni

Right, but you're not avoiding black people, you're trying to get away from poverty stricken areas. White, hispanic, black or otherwise. As are most people, even poor people. Their goal is to get out of the ghetto/trailer park/barrio too.But to say "I avioding being around black people" would be a very racist comment. Which, your comment about Cuba and other comments made it seem as though you don't want black people around you. C'mon, bro. You said you wanted to go to Cuba, then I told you it was 85% black, then you changed your mind. I personally wouldn't give a shit if it was 85% black, like Jamaica or Bahamas. I'd go without an issue at all; you made it clear you wouldn't.I'd say that means you care a bit, right? You misunderstand. I didn't mean that being poor makes you a criminal. I meant that poor people struggle to survive and are prone to criminal activity to circumvent having to do without. Aside from dictators or the like, crimes committed by the rich are usually white-collar crimes and aren't violent. The crimes I'm refering to are armed robbery, assault with intent to steal, breaking and entry, etc. The kind you would find in poor neighborhoods and the kind that people fear. It is when the person robbing you has a knife or a gun, or any harmful weapon.Crimes in poor neighborhoods are usually in the theft or drug related catagory. Those are pretty dangerous, but they are born out of necessity.Its easy to see, how many black NBA stars live in shitty ghettos and commit violent crimes? None? Maybe one?Color of skin has nothing to do with violence and criminal activity; its all about poverty and necessity.I'm just saying, black people have been dealt a shitty hand in this country up until about 40 years ago, and even after that it hasn't been a walk in the park. Plus, capitalism makes sure the poor stay poor, so large communities of black ghettos are likely to never rise above the poverty line. It's easy to point to these areas with large concentrations of black residents and say, "Its because they're black that they are violent and poor," because the bigger picture, the one that would require a conscious effort to help out the poor in this country, is preferably ignored and dismissed.- Oni

Sure it does, it points you to a non-corporate run news source without any left/right bullshit. Just straight news, sans hyperbole. Ok, I see what you meant by "independent." You're talking about voting labels. I meant more of an independent opinion on matters. Not taking a left or right opinion, but rather your own, separate opinion. The intro to Tom Sawyer is still one of the best intros to any rock song I've heard.- Oni