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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I'm sure any minute now you're going to post the evidence of that? I think this is an example of that circular tautology in internet forums,"82.4% of cited statistics are bogus."
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DBlevins Member (Idle past 3806 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: |
It isn't clear to me that you understand what 'peer review' actually means. It might be more clear if you would link directly to your source, instead of to a wikipedia page.
AE writes: I am going to have to agree, as I have anyway, that whether Jews are Semitic or European, they are have always been Caucasian (WHITE). That Semetic people have 'always' been classified as Caucasian is false. That is the problem with racial classifications. Various groups and individuals disagree on where the dividing line stands between clasifications.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I find it interesting that they exist, and I would prefer they do not exist in my backyard, which is why I choose not to live in these places any longer. Right, but you're not avoiding black people, you're trying to get away from poverty stricken areas. White, hispanic, black or otherwise. As are most people, even poor people. Their goal is to get out of the ghetto/trailer park/barrio too. But to say "I avioding being around black people" would be a very racist comment. Which, your comment about Cuba and other comments made it seem as though you don't want black people around you.
I seem to care? are you reading into what I am saying again? C'mon, bro. You said you wanted to go to Cuba, then I told you it was 85% black, then you changed your mind. I personally wouldn't give a shit if it was 85% black, like Jamaica or Bahamas. I'd go without an issue at all; you made it clear you wouldn't. I'd say that means you care a bit, right?
I am not really into this Marxist line of reasoning that classes in society are the causes for things, especially crime. You misunderstand. I didn't mean that being poor makes you a criminal. I meant that poor people struggle to survive and are prone to criminal activity to circumvent having to do without.
Crime is not a class issue for me, and I can keep naming wealthy heads of state, that are probably more criminal than the citizens of that state, so I doubt wealth or lack there-of is the root. Aside from dictators or the like, crimes committed by the rich are usually white-collar crimes and aren't violent. The crimes I'm refering to are armed robbery, assault with intent to steal, breaking and entry, etc. The kind you would find in poor neighborhoods and the kind that people fear.
stealing is not a crime that fits into the dangerous crime index. It is when the person robbing you has a knife or a gun, or any harmful weapon. Crimes in poor neighborhoods are usually in the theft or drug related catagory. Those are pretty dangerous, but they are born out of necessity. Its easy to see, how many black NBA stars live in shitty ghettos and commit violent crimes? None? Maybe one? Color of skin has nothing to do with violence and criminal activity; its all about poverty and necessity. I'm just saying, black people have been dealt a shitty hand in this country up until about 40 years ago, and even after that it hasn't been a walk in the park. Plus, capitalism makes sure the poor stay poor, so large communities of black ghettos are likely to never rise above the poverty line. It's easy to point to these areas with large concentrations of black residents and say, "Its because they're black that they are violent and poor," because the bigger picture, the one that would require a conscious effort to help out the poor in this country, is preferably ignored and dismissed. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
That link doesn't really point me to anything. Sure it does, it points you to a non-corporate run news source without any left/right bullshit. Just straight news, sans hyperbole.
An independent does not have a different opinion of both sides, it has a mixed one, a little from each side. Ok, I see what you meant by "independent." You're talking about voting labels. I meant more of an independent opinion on matters. Not taking a left or right opinion, but rather your own, separate opinion.
Got that shit right, RUSH is the bomb. I play keyboards, always loved RUSH. The intro to Tom Sawyer is still one of the best intros to any rock song I've heard. - Oni
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
That Semetic people have 'always' been classified as Caucasian is false. Of course Semetic people are classed as white. Why else do people refer to Arabs as "sand crackers"?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
That Semetic people have 'always' been classified as Caucasian is false. Of course Semetic people are classed as white. Why else do people refer to Arabs as "sand crackers"? Some use three categories--Caucasian, African, and Mongoloid. Those are the traditional groups. Others, such as Stanley Garn, see dozens of groups. Both are correct, as it is all arbitrary anyway. Given that, Semitic peoples either are, or are not, Caucasian. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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DBlevins Member (Idle past 3806 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: |
Of course Semetic people are classed as white. I think Coyote addressed this succinctly enough, but I did want to point out that I put 'always' in quotations to point out that they were not -> 'always' <- place.
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3131 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Well since you asked, I made a very broad and quick map (took me about 10min). Favor, can you make your map zoomable. I can't make out the details. You can do this by enclosing it in 'thumb' tags. Thanks.
BTW the majority of Jews today may speak a Semitic Language (Hebrew), but are ethnically German and Eastern Europeans. They are called Ashkenazi, and they make up a vast majority of the Jewish population of the world today. And are white. Perhaps you have heard of the Ashkenazi language: Yiddish. While written in the Hebrew alphabet, its is composed of Hebrew, Aramaic (both Semitic languages), Slavic, German, and Romance languages (Indo-European languages). Thanks for the history lesson from Wikipedia. I am pretty familiar with the Jewish race and its ethnic and religious origins.
Maybe you would rather read this from another source, perhaps a peer reviewed one: Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia Wikipedia is not a credible peer reviewed scientific source. It is a conglomeration of articles written by a wide variety of people, sometimes they are accurate, sometimes not.
It is incorrect to refer to Jews as anything but white, and your silly comparison to calling Japanese white, is little more than the silly comparisons you make in almost every post. Um, ok. My point was that calling people "white" or "black" or "oriental" is totally inaccurate. We are all shades of tan and skin color been scientifically proven not to have any bearing on one's mental capacity or preponderance for violance. Culture (non-genetic social norms passed down from generation to generation) has more to do with how people act than skin color. Judaism is a religion and a culture not a race. Jews come from a wide variety of ethnicities and cultural backgrounds. So I guess technically we are both wrong. Jews originally came from a Semetic ethnic stock. However, you are right in that in the past 2000-3000 years Jews have intermarried with other ethnicities, including Europeans, and thus are harder to physically distinguish. Most people think Jesus was this white caucasian dude with long flowing blond hair and beard (kind of like a young Charles Manson). That is far from the truth. He probably look more Arab than anything else, with kinky hair and medium dark skin. As far as being considered Caucasian, I think that only in the past 20-30 years through genetic research and DNA analysis have Arabs and other Semetic ethnicities been grouped into the caucasian category. However, colloqualy many still do not consider people of Jewish and Arab descent as caucasians. In face the term 'caucasian' has only been really used within the last 150 years or so. Again, I am not a big advocate of grouping people just by the color of there skin unless it is required for clinical or scientific research. Just my thoughts on the matter.
You want to talk evidence, I’ll talk evidence, and the evidence says you have no idea what you are talking about when it come to Jews. BTW, my grandmother was from Jewish ancestry and my brother-in-law and nephew are Jewish by blood though my brother-in-law is a non-practicing Jew.
You said I was an Anti-Semitic. Actually I never said your were anti-semitic.
White Supremacist. Yes, I did call you that based on your previous comments. You were stereotyping all people of other races (namely African Americans) as having a propensity for violance and criminality.
And since I have all the evidence that clearly states that Semitic peoples are white, you claimed I was Anti-White (Semitic), White Supremacist. Again I never called you anti-semtic.
Which like most of your ideas, makes little sense. If you claim not to be racist, I believe you. However how do you explain your previous racially insensitive remarks. Maybe I should just place your previous comments in the same category as Don Imus's 'nappy-headed hos' comments; that is racially insensitive and wrong but not necessarily pre-meditatively racist. There I admited I am wrong. Happy? Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
DevilsAdvocate writes:
Actually, the way he put the map in his post (with the img [filename] /img command) should make it zoomable. The problem is that it's of a very low resoilution, so you can't really zoom in. I suggest uploading it in a much higher resolution, so the things on it can actually be made out.
Favor, can you make your map zoomable. I can't make out the details. You can do this by enclosing it in 'thumb' tags. Thanks.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Thedoric" writes: There was no reporting on the speech. It was reporting on a doctored version of the speech. A version doctored for a racist, conservative agenda. Did you watch the whole speech? It isn't about race is about class. It is a story about a person realizing her own prejudices and rising above them. You might want to try understanding it. Yes I am aware of that. You still haven't shown the difference between me perceiving someone as liberal, and actually knowing someone is liberal. I also never said they needlessly call the cops.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"Ringo" writes: I'm just saying that it's better to be aware of your own attitudes and to look for your own negative attitudes instead of just denying that you have any. That's just it though, I don't have any negative attitudes that would define me as a racist, or prejudice. Of course I do not agree with what people think sometimes, and that may piss me off, and then lead me to not getting along with that person, but it has nothing to do with race, culture, color. I expect the best of people first.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
"crashfrog" writes: I'm sure any minute now you're going to post the evidence of that? I won't hold my breath. Are you saying I'm not wrong 80% of the time? lol Well I won't get into it, because I am pretty proud of everyone in this thread so far for really keeping it on topic. It is a good thread.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
River, river,
I also never said they needlessly call the cops. DO you not realize that there is a record.
Raging liberals? Especially ones that call the cops every time you fart. So you think it is necessary for them to call the cops every time someone farts?Ok, ok I get it. You never used the word needlessly, you only implied it. So big bad me for inferring it. Maybe I am misreading you. All I have to go by is what you post.How about we drop this. We are getting now where. Facts don\'t lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
As far as being considered Caucasian, I think that only in the past 20-30 years through genetic research and DNA analysis have Arabs and other Semetic ethnicities been grouped into the caucasian category.
Depends on how many classifications you have. If you have only the traditional three, Caucasian extends from Norway to North Africa to India, and through much of Eurasia. At least that's what I learned in a Human Races class in graduate school a few decades back. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3131 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Depends on how many classifications you have. If you have only the traditional three, Caucasian extends from Norway to North Africa to India, and through much of Eurasia. At least that's what I learned in a Human Races class in graduate school a few decades back.
Exactly my point, dividing up human beings soley by skin color is arbitrary and has evolved over time. "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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