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As often happens here, I tried to post a minimum of what I thought would be recognized as simple facts and find there is no such thing according to some here, who pepper their objection with all kinds of slimy personal innuendoes too. I believe I did say pretty clearly that I was only saying what I considered to be the basic facts and was waiting for Hyro to come back and fill in his observations since he said he'd come to the conclusion there was probably something to the pizzagate allegations, without saying what.I did think everyone would be at least superficially aware of the language in the email if nothing else, and wouldn't dispute its strangeness. That should of course be the case but I forget, this is the alternative universe of EvC.SO, I still want to wait and see what Hyro has to say. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I know of no adults who would ever describe the presence of children at a party as "entertaining." And I'm sure you don't either.

I don't understand why you are going to such lengths to rationalize something that is so clearly weird as children singing adulatory songs about a President.

Somehow I don't see the similarity between a performance at a rally that celebrates principles, something like cheerleaders, and children in a classroom being taught to sing adulatory words to a song about a President, even putting his name in the place of Jesus Christ's, a man at least some of their parents despise.Who said people on the left are bad? Their ideology is what is bad. Rotten bad.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Ah yes, well that is correct as far as it goes. Evidence to prove one poll better than another is way too much to ask, it's all subjective in the end anyway, trusting claims of what groups were polled and so on; and the problem is compounded in a political atmosphere where such information is designed to contribute to the destruction of a President.But in the case of Pizzagate I know there are facts out there. There are copies of the Podesta emails somewhere that should show what I'm saying, and some of the information has already been posted by others here anyway. And my first post was only for the purpose of giving my impression of the situation until Hyroglyphx comes back. Unfortunately he may be a while getting back, though for the sake of this topic it would be good to know what he meant about having learned there may be some truth to the Pizzagate allegations. It's his claim, not mine. I opted to wait for him.It would be nice if conversations here could be a little more ... casual? ... in my opinion, so that one COULD just say Here's what I know right now, without having to produce evidence every time you make such a remark, and having to be accused of scurrilous motives over every innocent observation. The topic is young, surely the evidence will eventually be forthcoming. Meanwhile I'm sipping my coffee over another bingewatch of Downton Abbey. It's so much more pleasant than pedophilia allegations.

If it aint one thing it's another, the another in this case being a professional performance, creeoy perhaps, who cares, but which of course is not an example of what we were talking about, the political indoctrination with religious overtones by a teacher of children captive in a classroom. And another Another is that of course we get to hear only the anti-Trump side of the story, the father's complaint. Of course. So what else is new?

Well, that was predictable.

Utterly irrelevant to the topic isn't it? Just can't resist inventing a reason to say something negative about Trump? Speaking of evidence, what ARE you talking about?

From the thread I'm forbidden to post on, concerning England's shameful attempt to bar Trump from visiting. I'm not worried about being ridiculed by "world leaders" who are so indoctrinated in Political Correctness their nations are going to become Muslim within a few years with bloody consequences. If things are really that bad the whole world is going down and Trump's getting to meet with Queen Elizabeth or not is the least of our worries.I know it's hard for anti-Trumpers but WE are the ones who want the best for our country, because we are the only ones who KNOW what is best for the country. Apparently a few Brits have the same view of things, but if in the end they choose to commit national suicide I'd prefer we not go down with them.Trump is certainly guilty of vulgarity but speaking of Clinton, as Trump pointed out, he actually physically abused women; Trump did not.Sorry, NOBODY ELSE would be as aggressive as Trump about the things that matter to conservatives.

The facts I was referring to are the actual emails. Those ARE facts. I've said absolutely nothing about the allegations some have based on those facts because all I know is that the emails are very strange, suggest something very strange, but exactly what it suggests I don't know and haven't said. The reality may be quite ugly even if the hyped allegations are incorrect. I don't know, which is why I haven't said. All I know, which I DID say, is that those emails are very strange and do suggest something ugly.

Well I'm glad you haven't gone completely bonkers, that's nice to know. However, I got the impression from Percy's post #451 on the Trump Presidency thread: It's more fun to blame me for such errors of course.

So now we get a little context change and a little word magic and totally overlook the point being made. I know of no adults with or without children who would invite other adults to a party and feel the need to inform them that children will be there for their entertainment. That is beyond odd. We are not talking about people happening to find children entertaining, which of course they may, but they aren't invited to a party where children are offered as entertainment unless something really really strange is going on. I'm sure you know this, Mod, but as Riggamortis asked, why are you going to such lengths to try to make it seem normal when it simply is not? People finding these emails strange is not the fake news; those denying it are the fake news. It's strange, there is no way I can see to rationalize away the strangeness, especially when there are other strange things in the emails. Yes it's odd it seems to be so out in the open but people do get complacent and take chances. However odd that may be, the content is far odder.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yiannopolous has shown enough sleaze to be discredited, I agree with that. But it was his conservative opinions the "protests" were about.

I didn't follow the pizzagate discussions enough to decide on the credibility of the more extreme allegations but from the beginning the emails sounded fishy, as they obviously did to the others who went on to those allegations. I didn't just "latch on" to any of it, it just sounded and sounds odd to me -- on first encounter already. I really don't think there is any way to dismiss them as normal communications. But again, I haven't pursued any of the pedophile riing allegations because no matter how weird the emails are that's too far out for what little I know about it all. "Hot dogs waiting in a Jacuzzi" or something like that is another part of them. Odd don't you think? Walnut sauce on a hot dog? Or pizza? There's a lot of odd stuff, but I haven't wanted to get into it until Hyro says his piece so I'll know what he thinks about it. He also said he dismissed some of the more wacko allegations. Meanwhile anyone who is at all familiar with the content of the emails can't possibly honestly think they are just normal communications about children and food. Let's say I'm only too familiar by now with the Left's unceasing efforts to discredit him by one means or another, familiar with lying headlines and lying emphases in reports, and the eagerness with which these allegations have been taken up. And open threats to kill him? Good grief. It did start with that lying "dossier" and seems to be a favorite lode of accusations for the Left. I also haven't spent a lot of time on the subject but as with pizzagate if I see something convincing enough to think more about I will. Meanwhile all the conservative sources are calling it bunk, he and his team have denied it and I think there is every reason to assume, until further notice, that it's just another of the thousands of plots against him. "Honest and open questions?" Not from where I sit. Anything coming from the "MSM" or the Left is suspicious at this point. The weight of the evidence available, the tone of the media, the skewing of reports. Hearing a lot of conservative discussions which I suppose most here aren't following. I don't bite down hard on most of it but I can see for myself what the Left is doing. If he's involved in a conspiracy that contradicts his stated platform I'll never follow another political discussion again ever. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

He doesn't even have "complete impunity" among his base, HBD. And we don't need him to tell us the media are fake news, we already know it and have known it for years and see for ourselves how it has increased with his election. We're just glad to see him take it on. The fake news accusations started with the Left, against the "alt right" news sources, there have been threats to deprive those outlets of their public voice, and in fact there have been actions already taken in that direction, such as manipulating the Twitter responses to eliminate conservative opinion. Trump is COUNTERING all that, he's pointing out that the fake news is coming from the Left.Good grief man, there's a LOT of media left that aren't the Leftist MSM. They've discredited themselves.And you make ME ask you in turn, why are YOU so ready to find the fault with Trump?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.