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Message 1141 of 1229 (842301)
10-29-2018 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1140 by ringo
10-28-2018 2:31 PM


Re: Creation
The distinction being oceans are huge. Seas can be smaller. But even if there was a big land mass surrounded by what we would call an ocean, a lot more water was introduced to the surface of earth.

Even assuming, as I do, that the high mountains were caused by post flood mountain building, a lot of water had to be involved with covering mountains.


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Message 1142 of 1229 (842312)
10-29-2018 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1141 by creation
10-29-2018 10:31 AM


Re: Creation
creation writes:

The distinction being oceans are huge. Seas can be smaller.


That's not a distinction.

creation writes:

But even if there was a big land mass surrounded by what we would call an ocean...


quote:
Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
There was one big body of water - an ocean.

creation writes:

... a lot more water was introduced to the surface of earth.


When? How? From where?

creation writes:

Even assuming, as I do, that the high mountains were caused by post flood mountain building...


That's completely unscriptural. It's a fantasy made up by creationists to try to account for the fact that there isn't nearly enough water on earth to cover the mountains.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 1143 of 1229 (842325)
10-29-2018 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1136 by creation
10-27-2018 2:18 PM


Re: Creation
Hi creation,

creation writes:

Hey, we don't know if there were oceans or not. There were seas.

We know that there was lots of water as it was called the deep.

quote:
Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

If all the water was in one place that would mean there was one land mass that was dry. It would have had no bound lakes as the water would not be touching the rest of the water. We don't know the elevation of the dry land. It was just one continent.

The Hebrew writer had a name for the body of water and it was not seas or oceans. Seas was provided by the translators.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1144 of 1229 (842327)
10-29-2018 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1137 by creation
10-27-2018 2:21 PM


Re: Creation
Hi creation,

creation writes:

Gen starts off in the first verse telling us it was already finished. Done. Complete.

Yes according to the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1 the universe was a completed job.

But according to the text of the verse following verse 1 it was in a mess and could not be inhabited by mankind which it was created for.

But there is a verse that claims to be the history of the day that God created the heaven and earth in.

quote:
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

According to that verse the verses that follow give us the history of the creation of the universe, in the day the Lord God created it.

creation writes:

So whatever we see in the rest of the chapter has to be read with that in mind. The woman talked about there was the one already created. It just tells us some details of how.

The verses in Genesis 1:2 thru Genesis 2:3 does not tell us anything about the day the universe began to exist. They only tell us what happened after the earth was covered with water in Genesis 1:2.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1145 of 1229 (842336)
10-29-2018 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1138 by Aussie
10-27-2018 10:50 PM


Re: Creation
Hi Aussie,

Aussie writes:

You and ICANT are getting painful to read.

Sorry to cause you such pain. It seems like I cause a lot of people pain as what I believe about creation does not sit well with those who say they believe the Bible and those who believe the Bible is a myth.

You see I believe the earth and universe are very old. Older than what science says it is. The light period of "Day One" lasted from the beginning until God created the darkness found at Genesis 1:2. What was the duration of that light period? There is no way of knowing, I only know that at least eight generations of people lived and built cities during that time which was destroyed before Genesis 1:2.

Jeremiah told us of that world in chapter 4:23-28.

quote:
4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.


Peter talked about the same world in 2 Peter 3:5-7.

quote:
3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


I have always been told Peter was talking about the flood. If he was why did he say the world perished. The world did not perish in the flood there was 8 people left on earth plus all the animals that was on the ark with them.

He talks about Noah's flood in the second chapter, and says nothing about that world being destroyed.

You see I believe the Bible.
The man formed from the dust of the ground had to die in the same light period he was formed as he was told:

quote:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The original text says die surely die.

The woman that was cloned from the man formed from the dust of the ground could not be the same woman created in Genesis 1:27 as the woman created was created at the same time as the man not cloned from the man.

The man and woman created could not be the same man an woman in chapter two as they were never forbidden from eating any fruit from any tree.

If that makes your pain greater forgive me.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1146 of 1229 (842338)
10-29-2018 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1142 by ringo
10-29-2018 11:57 AM


Re: Creation
Hi ringo,

ringo writes:

There was one big body of water - an ocean.

I am going to remember that the next time you argue the other side with me.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1147 of 1229 (842362)
10-30-2018 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1146 by ICANT
10-29-2018 5:39 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:

I am going to remember that the next time you argue the other side with me.


I have never argued the other side with you. I corrected you when you said that all of the land was in one place. That is not what Genesis says. You can have one body of water with several bodies of land in it, which is what Genesis describes.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 1148 of 1229 (842368)
10-30-2018 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1144 by ICANT
10-29-2018 3:19 PM


Re: Creation
That is why He made a garden. For mankind to start there and later branch out to all the world.

Since He made the stars and sun and moon on a certain day, I suggest that does tell us when space was filled with stars.


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Message 1149 of 1229 (842369)
10-30-2018 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1143 by ICANT
10-29-2018 2:54 PM


Re: Creation
No, by the time the water and land was separated in the days of creation, that is when we started having the land. After the separation. That is when we had seas in which God created fish.
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Message 1150 of 1229 (842371)
10-30-2018 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1142 by ringo
10-29-2018 11:57 AM


Re: Creation
It is not unscriptural to suggest that a lot of upheaval, continental separation along with mountains being pushed up, happened after the time of the flood actually.

You ask how God got water to earth? There were conduits in heaven called windows of heaven. Many think that these transported water from beyond where the stars end (the firmament where stars were placed and made) to earth!


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Message 1151 of 1229 (842374)
10-30-2018 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1150 by creation
10-30-2018 12:52 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:

It is not unscriptural to suggest that a lot of upheaval, continental separation along with mountains being pushed up, happened after the time of the flood actually.


If you claim it is scriptural, give book, chapter and verse.

creation writes:

There were conduits in heaven called windows of heaven. Many think that these transported water from beyond where the stars end (the firmament where stars were placed and made) to earth!


That's a fairy tale.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 1152 of 1229 (842380)
10-30-2018 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1150 by creation
10-30-2018 12:52 PM


Re: Creation
It is not unscriptural to suggest that a lot of upheaval, continental separation along with mountains being pushed up, happened after the time of the flood actually

And it's not scriptural.

Actually, there's no evidence for it anywhere. But there's gobs of evidence it didn't happen that way.


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Message 1153 of 1229 (842400)
10-30-2018 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1149 by creation
10-30-2018 12:49 PM


Re: Creation
Hi creation

creation writes:

No, by the time the water and land was separated in the days of creation,

.

There was land all over the globe. That land was covered with water. The water was gathered to one place which left some dry land not islands as ringo would have us to believe.

Face not faces which islands would require.

quote:
:Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

The people are one. In other words they are too much alike and speak the same language. There is nothing they won't be able to do.

quote:
Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.


So from where they had gone after leaving the ark they were scattered upon the face of all the earth. Which bring me back to the dry land mass in Genesis 1:9, 10.

The land mass of the earth that the man was formed from the dust of the ground had no sea, no seas, or oceans. It only had 1 river that divided into 4 rivers to water the face of the earth, along with the mist.

quote:
Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1154 of 1229 (842401)
10-30-2018 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1150 by creation
10-30-2018 12:52 PM


Re: Creation
Hi creation,

creation writes:

You ask how God got water to earth?

The water was already here. It covered the earth in Genesis 1:2.

Why couldn't it do the same 2,000 years later?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 1155 of 1229 (842403)
10-30-2018 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1153 by ICANT
10-30-2018 7:53 PM


Re: Creation
ICANT writes:

The water was gathered to one place which left some dry land not islands as ringo would have us to believe.


It isn't what I would have you believe; it's what the Bible says. There's nothing in Genesis to suggest that all of the land was in one place.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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