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Topic: There you Go,YECs...biblical "evidence" of "flat earth beliefs"
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 121 of 243 (390353)
03-19-2007 10:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 120 by zcoder
03-19-2007 9:38 PM
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anyways are creatinist considered lower races of humans?
becouse they believe? YECs and Biblical Creationists are not a lower race, they are simply ignorant, deluded or lying. Those who are simply ignorant should be educated, those who are deluded should be treated with pity and those who are lying should be condemned.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 122 of 243 (390362)
03-19-2007 10:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 120 by zcoder
03-19-2007 9:38 PM
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zcoder writes: "the foundation of EMF is firm, and can be proven with formulas" "We want our childs morals to be built on a firm foundation" "The building should last long, being build on a firm foundation."
In all of your examples, a "foundation" is something that does not change, does not move. Nothing you have said changes the simple reading of the text: the earth does not move. I'm still waiting for you to show us how the Hebrew says otherwise.
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zcoder
Member (Idle past 6237 days) Posts: 66 Joined: 03-19-2007
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Message 123 of 243 (390385)
03-20-2007 1:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 122 by ringo
03-19-2007 10:54 PM
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I showed you, but you confused it with the same phrase: (New International Version) "The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved" (Hebrew Translation) "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever" I don't know of any hebrew sites about the translation of the bible but I am sure you can verify it, if you search it. the fact that I point you to search is becouse you will find it. I gave the proof, I told you it was Hebrew, you can find it if your not lazy. Zcoder....
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 124 of 243 (390386)
03-20-2007 1:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 123 by zcoder
03-20-2007 1:36 AM
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zcoder writes: I gave the proof, I told you it was Hebrew, you can find it if your not lazy. That makes no sense. If you gave the proof, why would I have to search for it?
the fact that I point you to search is becouse you will find it. Why should I search for proof of your point? If you're so sure I'll find it, why don't you find it and present it?
(New International Version) "The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved" (Hebrew Translation) "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever" Both of those versions still say the same thing: the earth doesn't move.
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zcoder
Member (Idle past 6237 days) Posts: 66 Joined: 03-19-2007
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Message 125 of 243 (390397)
03-20-2007 5:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 124 by ringo
03-20-2007 1:47 AM
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The earth moves an you know it and I know it, but the people back then did not know it. but they knew very well what it meant. but maybe I am being unfair to you, maybe I am assuming that you know. I am beging to believe that you don't know. But now it don't matter, couse eather you don't know or your dishoest. Also I mean this from my heart, I told you the truth, I am being honest on that. But before I go, I must say, I have never seen a closed minded person with no feelings for others who you think is not on the same boat with you, and this you call adversity? Zcoder....
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zcoder
Member (Idle past 6237 days) Posts: 66 Joined: 03-19-2007
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Message 126 of 243 (390398)
03-20-2007 5:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 125 by zcoder
03-20-2007 5:43 AM
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But, I won't leave on that note I will just say that your honest and that you truly don't know the meaning, and that you also believe in serpents, dragons, and other mythological context found in the bible. A literal reader in deed. Zcoder....
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 127 of 243 (390430)
03-20-2007 11:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 125 by zcoder
03-20-2007 5:43 AM
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zcoder writes: The earth moves an you know it and I know it, but the people back then did not know it. Of course.
but they knew very well what it meant. Maybe you're just unfamiliar with the English language, but you seem to be contradicting yourself. The Bible authors didn't know that the earth moves. They wrote very clearly that the earth does not move. What do you mean by, "they knew very well what it meant"?
... you also believe in serpents, dragons, and other mythological context found in the bible. Have you mistaken me for a Bible literalist? I'm not saying I believe the Bible. I'm saying the Bible is wrong.
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 128 of 243 (390534)
03-21-2007 1:00 AM
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Re-Moving
Anyone help me here. If the earth in its orbit were to drift 100 miles further away from the sun what would happen? If the earth in its orbit were to drift 100 miles closer to the sun what would happen?
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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Message 129 of 243 (390536)
03-21-2007 1:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 128 by ICANT
03-21-2007 1:00 AM
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Earth's Distance
Anyone help me here. If the earth in its orbit were to drift 100 miles further away from the sun what would happen? If the earth in its orbit were to drift 100 miles closer to the sun what would happen? During the year the earth's distance to the sun varies by some millions of miles. It's about a couple of million miles closer in January than it is in June. Obviously, 100 miles here or there would make no difference. We can measure (I think) the difference in energy from the sun now but I'm not sure we could measure the effect of 100 miles one way or the other.
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Message 130 of 243 (390540)
03-21-2007 2:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 129 by NosyNed
03-21-2007 1:18 AM
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Re: Earth's Distance
I think he was trying to imply that if the earth was an inch farther away from the sun that all life on earth would end as we know it, therefore there must be a god...
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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: 06-06-2005
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Message 131 of 243 (390544)
03-21-2007 4:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 130 by Taz
03-21-2007 2:25 AM
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Re: Earth's Distance
I think he was trying to imply that if the earth was an inch farther away from the sun that all life on earth would end as we know it, therefore there must be a god...
i agree, people give the impression that the earth has to be exactly in the right spot for life to exist. which is absurd considering were the earth is rather irrelevent, except maybe for movement of the planets, i mean if we where too close to the sun like mercury i doubt there would be life as we know it now even a few thousand miles might not effect life, i find its begging the question, since we have no way of telling how much the earth would change the closer or farther from the sun we are
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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: 06-06-2005
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Message 132 of 243 (390545)
03-21-2007 4:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 128 by ICANT
03-21-2007 1:00 AM
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Re: Re-Moving
Nothing i wouldn't think, considering we stand hmm, 91 million miles from the sun? sure i think if we were a few thousand miles closer the earth might get a bit hotter, but nothing really bad would happen
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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Distances
Note, Rev, that 91 is around the minimum and 95 is around the maximum. Obviously it doesn't make a huge difference.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 134 of 243 (390603)
03-21-2007 10:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 128 by ICANT
03-21-2007 1:00 AM
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Re: Re-Moving
From EO - 404 Error
Changes in orbital eccentricity affect the Earth-sun distance. Currently, a difference of only 3 percent (5 million kilometers) exists between closest approach (perihelion), which occurs on or about January 3, and furthest departure (aphelion), which occurs on or about July 4. This difference in distance amounts to about a 6 percent increase in incoming solar radiation (insolation) from July to January. The shape of the Earths orbit changes from being elliptical (high eccentricity) to being nearly circular (low eccentricity) in a cycle that takes between 90,000 and 100,000 years. When the orbit is highly elliptical, the amount of insolation received at perihelion would be on the order of 20 to 30 percent greater than at aphelion, resulting in a substantially different climate from what we experience today. Does that help? Ice cores and several other long-term geological records record these cycles, including those of tens of millions of years ago.
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 135 of 243 (390605)
03-21-2007 10:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 129 by NosyNed
03-21-2007 1:18 AM
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Re: Earth's Distance
Thanks Ned.
During the year the earth's distance to the sun varies by some millions of miles. It's about a couple of million miles closer in January than it is in June. Does it ever vary from the course it takes every year? Or does it take a fixed course every year.
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