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Topic: The Whole Jesus Thing
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Re: So what is the issue?
Well, that is how it was interpreted by the Jews. One of the more charming aspects of the ancient writings, (unless someone makes a stupid promise to sacrifice the first thing they see once they get home)..
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 260 of 286 (159936)
11-15-2004 8:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 255 by jar 11-14-2004 5:02 PM
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Re: So what is the issue?
What, going aroudn preaching, over turning tables , throwing temper tantrums at fig trees, and talking about lessons from the Hillel branch of Pharaseedism?? Don't see much special about either the life or death.. except for the miracles that I am sure didn't happen. Beside, deutronomy specifically warns against using miracles to 'prove' a prophet.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Re: So what is the issue?
Yes, I am sure tha miracles didn't exist. Can you provide any evidence from outside the bible they did? I can point to other myths that point to other miracles, such as the Gods sending angels down to ignite the funeral pyre of Julius Ceasar when there were arguements about how to do it, or the Ceasar Vespitan being able to cure the blind and deaf with a touch of his hand. Do you believe those miracles?
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Re: So what is the issue?
That is your opinion. Can you provide evidence of it from any place other than wishful thinking and the bible is the question.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Re: So what is the issue?
Yes, I can be. I might not be able to PROVE it, but then, I can't PROVE that little green men have been abducting people either.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Re: So what is the issue?
You can't even provide objective secular evidence from before 70 C.E. that this Jesus guy even existed, much less that 1) he was a prophet, or 2) that he was the son of god. And my quote from the Tanakh showed that people who follow the old testament that Jesus is not god. And yes, people CAN reject books that are written later, on the basis it contradicts the earlier books. I also could use a different interpretation on those words that were attributed to Jesus too..
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 282 of 286 (161527)
11-19-2004 2:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 273 by lfen 11-18-2004 1:41 AM
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Re: Speculation
One thing you have to realise, the 'version' of psalm 22 that is quoted is a mistranslation from the hebrew. The phrase ""k'ari" does not mean 'pierced', but 'like a lion'. It is translated properly in sections near that, but apparently the early christian translators needed to have some kind of prophecy to be fullfilled, so they manufactored one.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 284 of 286 (161537)
11-19-2004 3:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 283 by lfen 11-19-2004 3:10 PM
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Re: Speculation
I think they introduced the mistranslation. There is no reason ot have the word 'pierced' there otherwise, particularly since the word is translated properly in other psalms.
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