The Whole Jesus Thing

It doesn't take alot of research to discover that Jesus does not burn you in hell, but rather satan does because it his world now.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Cctman writes:I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here... If you read the passage you can take it no other way than than eternal fire, or that you burn in hell for ever, ect; Its pretty clear.

And this is the parable of the Rich man and the Beggar which is very popular in christianity. Every time Jesus spoke of parables he used and refered to real world events to help people commonly relate to His message. A parable is a brief story that is true to life, comparing the point of commonality between two unlike things, given for the purpose of teaching spiritual truth. Jesus always referenced real world events when used parables.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Yes, your right! And by this and other verses also speaking of eternal torment and hell, we can easily coorelate them together. They fit very clearly.

Why would you even make a comment like that when there is no way for you to support nor prove how or if an eternal fire in hell takes an eternity to burn up in it?

There are many events within the Bible that we can not know how God created or did these things. That would be why they are considered in many cases mericles. So to suggests that we should start explaining things that aren't even suppose to be explained --> see God's response to Job, the creation, mericles, resurrection, parting of the red sea, bringing Lazareth from the dead, ect; God even tells us that there many things that we can not comprehend. God even questions Job and asks him Where were you when I created these things.Basically, you don't go chasing down desriptions in the Bible that are identified as mericles because there is no logical empericle explanation for them. Other wise they wouldn't be mericles. Science far from explains everything!

Jesus spoke in parables because too those that sought the truth the message was very clear to them, but to Jesus's enemies when they heard the parables, they would here only stories without meaning.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

I would suggest to you that you stop making statements first without doing some basic reading first.

38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

Cctman writes:We do know that there is no suffering in heaven so that they would not look down and grieve.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Yaro,"Was not Jesus God?"
Reply No, He isn't God.

30 I and my Father are one.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

1 In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Yaro writes:Personaly I don't want to think anyone was sent to his death for my sake, and would I have been asked I would have said no thank you. For Christianity to come around after the fact and ask me to be greatfull for some poor guy god killed 2000 years ago, I think is insulting.Im not going to be greatfull for a good mans death, especialy when it accomplished nothing and could have been avoided. Jesus death was ultimetly unecissary and meaningless. God proved no point with it rather than he is bloodthirsty.

Yaro writes:Furthermore, why would blood be an atonemnet for sin? What does god gain from spilled blood that removes his anger or wrath tword the sinner?

Ramoss writes:None of which exlusively and implicitly says Jesus said he was god.

30 I and my Father are one

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Ramoss writes:The use of sacrifice for atonement was used as giving something of value up as a token of your commitment. In the Jewish religion, human sacrifice was not acceptable.. so accordign to Jewish tradition , the
sacrifice of a human to sin would be abhorent,.. that is probably one
of the reasons Paul had to go OUTSIDE of judaism for converts.

13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man [referring to Paul], how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
21 But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?
22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.

Ramoss writes: Besides, this John guy wrote about it decades later, so it is unlikely
he would know what Jesus really said, if he existed at all.