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jar
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Message 13 of 249 (234061)
08-17-2005 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Athansor
08-17-2005 10:00 AM


Question
If the element of capriciousness in the form of God or a designer is introduced, some element that can arbitrarily change laws or effects, can any valid predictions or understanding of the world be achieved?
If some outside force can step in and say that A can become C without going through B, can any predictions be made?
Is it possible to have science where reality can be changed on the arbitrary whim of some outside force?

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jar
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Message 89 of 249 (327730)
06-30-2006 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Rob
06-30-2006 1:54 AM


Davies is WRONG.
First, there is not a faith that there will be order, rather the conclusion from observations is that there is order.
IMHO that is an important point.
There really are two points of view. One is to start with the conclusion and then find support for it. The other though says that regardless of the expected result, the conclusion MUST follow from the evidence.
The really important contribution of science is that it says the conclusion cannot be counter to the evidence.
This is and has been the difference between the ID or Biblical Creationist movement and Science since the beginning.

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Message 143 of 249 (344454)
08-28-2006 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Hughes
08-28-2006 8:31 PM


Re: It is rhetoric not science
The only time anyone worries about the motives of IDists or YECs or Biblical Creationists is when they try to pretend that their nonsense is science.

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Message 152 of 249 (344655)
08-29-2006 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by fallacycop
08-29-2006 7:29 AM


Re: It is rhetoric not science
Actually, that is one of the beauties of English.
ID can mean:
  1. Inept design.
  2. Incomprehensable Design.
  3. Incompetent Design.
  4. Incapable Design.
  5. Inefficient Design.
  6. Inexpert Design.
  7. Inapt Design.
  8. Inappropriate Design.
  9. Inadept Design.
  10. Improper design.
  11. Inadequate Design.
  12. Illadvised Design.
  13. Incongruous Design.
  14. Inexperienced Design.
  15. Immature Design.
  16. ...

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