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Author Topic:   Creationism/ID as Science
mitchellmckain
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Message 121 of 249 (340385)
08-15-2006 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Athansor
08-16-2005 11:55 PM


It is rhetoric not science
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I don't want to get into the validity of creationism supporting evidence I'd just like to know if Creationism and/or Inteligent Design is Science. I believe it is because it is a theory with supporting evidence and only other theories disprove it. There are no facts to my understanding that disprove it or it wouldn't be finding its way into schools.
My belief is that it's science, albeit a bad theory.
I am a Christian but I am also a physicist. Creationism/ID is both a bad theory and it is not science. The two are connected.
Science has long ago restricted its subject matter to what is objectively observable and measurable for good reason. It is the reason for the modern success of science. This restriction is essential and must be defended. Since God is neither objectively observable nor measurable it is not an appropriate part of any scientific theory. Furthermore, God has no explanatory power. Besides not being objectively observable, God is practically unknowable. Therefore as part of a hypothesis, God is simply a black box (or black hole) into which questions disappear unanswered without a trace.
A hypothesis like this is essentially untestable and that means that whether the research it motivates could be good science, it ultimately fails to be science at all. Science tries to formulate a test by which you can decide whether a theory is correct or incorrect. Simply hunting for evidence to support your theory is what lawyers and salesmen do, not scientists, and it is called rhetoric. The difference is a particular type of honesty which is rather peculiar to science.
The fact that Creationism/ID is making it into public schools represents a breakdown of religious freedom, not that there is any scientific validity to it at all. It is the reactionary response to the breakdown of religious freedom on the other side, which has attempted to enshrine secular humanism as a religious theocracy in this country.

See my relativistic physics of space flight simimulator at Astahost.com

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