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Author | Topic: If it can be, how can the "Absence of Evidence" be "Evidence of Absence?". | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined:
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It has been stated here at EvC and at other evo/creo fora the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
So be it. When I say I don't believe in any gods I get asked what evidence is there that no gods exist? From my own experience I find that those who believe in Jehovah reject Zeus. My point is what evidence are these Theists using to reject Zeus, Ra, Thor, Xipe, etc. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : "Absense" to "Absence" in topic title. Edited by bluescat48, : Suggestion from Adminnemooseus Edited by Admin, : Fix title. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined:
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The problem with religious apologetics is that scientific evidence does not apply! There is no empirical method for accepting one deity and rejecting all the rest. There is not even empirical evidence for the existence of deities in the first place. Which you, I and a number of others understands, but still does not give me a reason that they, the theists, can reject some gods and not all. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
For example, if the force between nucleons (protons and neutrons) were only a few per cent stronger, the Universe would be devoid of hydrogen and there would go the sun and water for a start. Once water is gone, so is all life. Not really the difference would be that it would have a higher degree of Deuturium rather than Protium. A neutron-Proton combination is an H2 ion with the same properties as a Hydrogen ion, only heavier. Still neutrons would continuously be made as they are in such things as Novae. It in no way validates whether God exists or not. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
the order in the physical world proves that something exists and if the order never deviates, then something is keeping them constant Reference Please. Show evidence that something is keeping the order constant and that it is not simply a natural phenomenon. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
then someone must be preventing the decay of the universal elements. Could you explain what you mean by "decay of universal elements." As you said everything decays, but not in the same fashion. The decay does not mean total destruction, simply change. For example, say a hydrogen atom that is part of a living being, still remains a hydrogen atom when the being dies and decomposes, the hydrogen atom, simply becomes part of the decay products and later could become, part of another being or part of the water in an ocean or part of a rock or any of a number of other possibilities. That particular hydrogen atom may have come from another galaxy or could have been the result of the decay of a free neutron here on earth or come from some other part of this galaxy. The decay of chemical elements differs in that the change is from one element to another or in reality one particular isotope of an element follows a particular decay pattern. Those isotopes which have half lives which would be so long that they cannot be measured, if they actually decay or not, are referred to as stable. These include such common isotopes as: H1C12 N14 O16 all of which are common to all life forms. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
why dont they decay is the question. For one thing there is nothing to decay, These are forces not matter.Matter decays in a sense that it can break down but does not decay into anything except the same elements in other configurations.ie: Rocks + weathering yields gravel, sand, silt, but the elements are still the same. Living things + decay mechanisms ie: bacteria, break down complex compounds to simpler compounds which go back into nature to be reused. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
you cant really say that because scientists still dont fully know what gravity is and what it is made of But scientists do know what gravity is. it is force equal to the distance divided by the square of the time. On earth it is
thus an acceleration Edited by bluescat48, : latex Edited by bluescat48, : same There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
The point is:
According to Peg, The universe is the way it is so that humans can exist. According to Huntard, Humans exist because the universe is the way it is. This is the point between creation & evolution. One is directed the other is adaptation. From all scientific inquiry, #2 is a more correct explanation since it follows natural, thus scientific, findings. I agree with this view do to evidence. This point seems to be drifting from the topic. evidence of absence vs absence of evidence to faith vs evidence. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
The point is not whether the universe is fine tuned for us as much as we are fine tuned to the universe. Without us be tuned for the universe than life is impossible or would be totally different than it is. It is not that the universe exists for us but that we are capable of being here do to the physical properties that allow us to be here and the fact that over the course of 13.8 billion years there have been numerous creation of life supporting elements from such things as supernovae, which creates the heavier elements from which provides the substances that contribute to life. It is not that it it the only possibility as some in this topic would state. We exist because we are tuned to the universe.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I was agreeing with you just extrapolating it. The point I was trying to make is that the universe is not tuned for us we are tuned to it since we are made from it.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
p is fun as in
{abe} I may get this Latex thing yet!!!! Edited by bluescat48, : latex goof Edited by bluescat48, : No reason given. Edited by bluescat48, : No reason given. Edited by bluescat48, : same Edited by bluescat48, : continuing Edited by bluescat48, : No reason given. Edited by bluescat48, : No reason given. Edited by bluescat48, : abe Edited by bluescat48, : typical typo There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I am making a general reply since I am not aiming the following remarks at anyone in particular.
1) Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, it is simply the absence, period. 2) With no evidence then the default position is non-existence, until such time as someone can provide evidence. The point is the same whether it is a deity, the Easter Bunny, Superman, Harry Potter, James bond or Rhett Butler, simply a character created by someone's imagination.I don't disbelieve in deities, I reject them do to no evidence of existence. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
This is the op:
It has been stated here at EvC and at other evo/creo fora the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So be it. When I say I don't believe in any gods I get asked what evidence is there that no gods exist?From my own experience I find that those who believe in Jehovah reject Zeus. My point is what evidence are these Theists using to reject Zeus, Ra, Thor, Xipe, etc. Still through out the topic, no-one has answered my question:
From my own experience I find that those who believe in Jehovah reject Zeus. My point is what evidence are these Theists using to reject Zeus, Ra, Thor, Xipe, etc.
I again ask. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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