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Author Topic:   If it can be, how can the "Absence of Evidence" be "Evidence of Absence?".
Coyote
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Message 7 of 309 (533792)
11-02-2009 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by bluescat48
10-22-2009 6:00 PM


Rejecting deities--but which ones?
What I would like to know is why they reject Old Man Coyote.
The evidence is just as good, and Old Man Coyote is a much more compelling figure.
But to be serious, theists generally reject hundreds or tens of thousands of deities in favor of their own particular chosen deity. But how do they choose?
The problem with religious apologetics is that scientific evidence does not apply! There is no empirical method for accepting one deity and rejecting all the rest. There is not even empirical evidence for the existence of deities in the first place.
The supernatural and an afterlife are a part of the biggest con that mankind has ever played upon itself--but it is a con, a self-deception, in which mankind desperately wants to believe. Considering the alternative that's not surprising. And that's what makes it so easy to sell!
And if this doesn't get the thread off to a rousing start of some kind I don't know what else I can do!

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 22 of 309 (533874)
11-03-2009 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by kbertsche
11-03-2009 10:51 AM


Evidence?
But the God of the Bible is presented as exclusive. He is the sole creator and sustainer of the universe, and the only one worthy of worship.
quote:
Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything... just give him time to rationalize it.
Robert A. Heinlein, JOB: A Comedy of Justice

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Message 103 of 309 (534618)
11-09-2009 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Peg
11-09-2009 8:16 PM


Nonsense
If gravity were only slightly stronger, life would not exist and if it were weaker life would not exist.
So this is proof that life can't exist anywhere but earth? No planet with a gravity other than that which we enjoy here on earth could possibly support life?
Why should we believe a word of this, given your track record when making pronouncements about science?

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Message 131 of 309 (534871)
11-11-2009 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by kbertsche
11-11-2009 1:39 PM


Re: fine tuning is a fable
You must be expecting, then, for creatures to evolve in some manner other than "finely tuned" to their environment?
You must be expecting something like that else why would you be so astonished that evolution and natural selection have resulted in creatures that are finely tuned to existing conditions?
Fine tuning is what evolution does! And it does it so well that it seems like creatures were "designed" to fit their environment. That's the way nature works.

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Message 134 of 309 (534875)
11-11-2009 2:25 PM
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11-11-2009 2:08 PM


Re: fine tuning is a fable
The context of my remarks (and Peg's?) is not evolution. I was discussing cosmological and physical parameters and was quoting experts in these fields.
Same difference.
Species evolved to match existing conditions.
If conditions were different, species would have evolved differently, no?
And then, wonder of wonders, they would be "fine tuned" for those other conditions!
"Fine tuning" is nothing more than god of the gaps apologetics mixed liberally with personal incredulity.

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Message 152 of 309 (535072)
11-12-2009 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Rahvin
11-12-2009 6:08 PM


Re: Fine tuning
It is readily observed that the universe does not mold itself around life, but rather life molds itself to fit the Universe.
A Man Said to the Universe
A man said to the universe:
"Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."
Stephen Crane (1871-1900)

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Message 155 of 309 (535118)
11-12-2009 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Peg
11-12-2009 10:33 PM


Re: fine tuning is a fable
cavediver writes:
Barrow and Tipler's CAP is over twenty years old, and was a good read in the late eighties - now it's all a bit tired.
interesting
thats how i feel about Darwins, 100 year old, origin of the species
If age is the criterion, your scripture is even more dated.
(Commence backtracking...now!)

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