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Message 280 of 309 (539395)
12-15-2009 3:21 PM

Reply to: Message 278 by Straggler
12-15-2009 1:00 PM

Re: Subjective Evidence? The Shock Return!!

Hi Straggler,

Straggler writes:

How low do they need to be before you accept "very unlikely" as a reasonable response?

How about when you produce the verifiable, testable, reproducible scientific evidence of exactly how it happened.

Instead of the answer presently given, "We don't know".

You say but that is impossible.

You ask us to produce evidence of God to your satisfaction.

Why can't we ask for the same level of evidence?

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 282 of 309 (539400)
12-15-2009 3:47 PM

Reply to: Message 281 by Straggler
12-15-2009 3:26 PM

Re: Subjective Evidence? The Shock Return!!

Hi Straggler,

Since there is no scientific verifiable reproducible evidence for or against the celestial cows or any of the other methods you put forward as well as god/s they are all possibilities.

You have looked at the same evidence everyone else has to look at and come to your personal conclusions.

I on the other hand add the witness of several men that wrote down several things that had happened along with a lot of things that were going to happen. Since many of those things that they foretold came to pass in my lifetime, I tend to believe the other things they wrote.

So when I add that to the evidence everyone has, I come to my conclusions, which differ from yours, and from many that examine the same books I do.

Now do you have any reproducible evidence that proves that god/s do not exist?

If not then they are a very real possibility.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 285 of 309 (539412)
12-15-2009 4:50 PM

Reply to: Message 283 by Straggler
12-15-2009 3:52 PM

Re: Subjective Evidence? The Shock Return!!

Hi Straggler,

Straggler writes:

A possibility? Yes.

So you agree that there is a possibility, that god/s exist.

There is no evidence for or against their existence.

Straggler writes:

Nobody here has ever denied that.

You say nobody here has ever denied that possibility.

Then you follow with the statement:

Straggler writes:

No more so than the twelve and a half pixies that magicked the universe into existence last Thursday.

That statement denies the possibility of god/s existing.

I have been a resident of the planet earth for some 70 years therefore it was not magicked into existence last Thursday.

Straggler you are totally incorrigible.

Straggler writes:

Be specific.

As many times as I have in the past, why should I bother?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 291 of 309 (539423)
12-15-2009 5:46 PM

Reply to: Message 286 by Meldinoor
12-15-2009 5:08 PM

Re: Straggler's Holy Book

Hi Meldinoor,

Meldinoor writes:

Is this really sufficient evidence? If straggler wrote a book about his twelve and a half magic pixies, and threw in a few predictions that came to pass in my lifetime, do I then have sufficient cause to convert to Straggler's religion?

Just a thought.

You have a mind that knows good from evil and with that mind you can choose to do, think, or believe anything you desire too.

I have that same ability.

So I exercise my ability by believing in God and trying to follow the teachings of Jesus, and the Apostles. It has made me a better husband, father, friend and neighbor. In the process I have been fulfilled and am satisfied with my accomplishments in my 70 year journey here on earth. I can say with Paul I have fought a good fight, kept the faith, and am now ready to be offered.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 293 of 309 (539429)
12-15-2009 6:15 PM

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12-15-2009 5:49 PM

Re: Straggler's Holy Book

Hi Meldinoor,

Meldinoor writes:

That's great! However, the sole question I was trying to raise was whether the existence of a book is "evidence" for anything except the existence of the writers of the book. I'm not questioning the basis of our faith, only the use the Bible as evidence in a discussion about the existence of God.

Since it is His book I would think yes.

Should we use a book like Origin of the Species in which Charles Darwin says he don't know if God created one lifeform or many in the beginning to support evolution?

I don't know you tell me.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 298 of 309 (539444)
12-16-2009 12:43 AM

Reply to: Message 297 by bluescat48
12-15-2009 10:28 PM

Re: Restating the objective

Hi bluescat,

bluescat48 writes:

Still through out the topic, no-one has answered my question:

From my own experience I find that those who believe in Jehovah reject Zeus. My point is what evidence are these Theists using to reject Zeus, Ra, Thor, Xipe, etc.

I again ask.

The gods you are talking about is based on Genesis 1:2 with Chaos the void producing Tartarus Hell, Gaius the earth, Eros Desire, Erebus Darkness, Nyx the Night.

Tartarus and Gaia produced Typhon the Wind.

Gaia produced Ouranos the Sky.

Gaia and Ouranos produced Ourea Mountains, and Pontus the Sea.

Since those are based on an eroneous understanding of Genesis chapter 1, what evidence do I need to not believe in their offspring as god/s?

If I look up Chaos Here I find:

Chaos (Greek khaos) refers to the formless or void state of primordial matter preceding the creation of the universe or cosmos in creation myths, particularly Greek but also in related religions of the Ancient Near East.

If I look up God Here I find:

God is a deity in theistic and deistic religions and other belief systems,

I was also taught in our public school system about Greek mythology.

The Bible is the only book that tells us how the universe began to exist and why. It is also the only book that tells us how life came to exist.

Be it right or be it wrong it is the only source for that information.

I have asked here many times for the answers to those questions and the best answer given so far is "WE DON'T KNOW".

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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