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Author Topic:   If it can be, how can the "Absence of Evidence" be "Evidence of Absence?".
Peepul
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Message 233 of 309 (536877)
11-25-2009 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by kbertsche
11-25-2009 12:56 PM


Re: Formula?
quote:
As I tried to explain in Message 223, strictly speaking, "absence of evidence" is never "evidence of absence." "Absence of evidence" is a neutral concept. You can get this by closing your eyes. We often use the term "absence of evidence" incorrectly when what we really mean is that a partial search was performed and nothing was found. This is, strictly speaking, more than just an "absence of evidence;" it is "evidence of absence" over the parameter space which was searched.
This is good.
I believe the original legal statement about absence of evidence means something like
'If there is no evidence E for X, X may still be true'
It's really a specialization of that statement where X is limited to cover the presence of something somewhere, but logically I believe it's the same kind of statement.
So in formula terms it could be expressed as
(E implies X) does not imply (not E implies not X).
This is logically correct and I think that's all the original legal principle is saying.
A complication arises when the evidence E is expected to exist if X is true. We now believe that X implies E, ie that in this case we need to reverse the implication direction.
In this case, we CAN use the absence of evidence E to disprove X as we can use the standard logical expression :-
(X implies E) implies (not E implies not X).
So for example, if a specific location is scanned by a cctv camera, and we are happy that a continuous record has been stored, then finding no evidence for the presence of an indvidual on the recording is evidence that they were not present.
Edited by Peepul, : No reason given.

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Peepul
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Message 277 of 309 (539339)
12-15-2009 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 251 by RAZD
12-05-2009 5:24 AM


Re: RIP - Absence of Evidence
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As has been shown, by logical analysis, the best one can conclude from an absence of evidence is the possibility of absence. This is an atheist "5" position, not an atheist "6" position.
RAZD, when you say 'absence of evidence' what do you mean - sorry to ask this question so far in the debate but I'd like to be clear on it.
Do you mean the absence of POSITIVE evidence for a proposition or the absence of ANY evidence either for or against?

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