'Some still living' disproves literal truth of the bible

Okay. Let me ask you this:When the Apostle Paul was writing his epistles was "this generation" (Matthew 24:34) that Jesus was speaking to still underway? Or was it the generation following "this generation" ?This is addressed to Heretic only.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Not in all instances did I say length of life was not the implication. Matthew early speaks of 14 generations in three sections in chapter one. Those would be chronological generations for the most part.I think the phrase "some of those standing here who shall by no means taste death until they see ..." is the phrase Jesus used when He emphasically meant His audience at that moment.And this is the phrase He used in Matthew 16:28.My focus right now will be with Eric Heretic.

Not in all instances did I say length of life was not the implication. Matthew early speaks of 14 generations in three sections in chapter one. Those would be chronological generations for the most part.I think the phrase "some of those standing here who shall by no means taste death until they see ..." is the phrase Jesus used when He emphatically meant His audience at that moment.And this is the phrase He used in Matthew 16:28.My focus right now will be with Heretic. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Heretic,When the Apostle Paul was writing his epistles was "this generation" (Matthew 24:34) still there or had some chonological boundary been crossed into a new generation ?This is addressed to Heretic only.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Heretic,Perhaps you need some clarification.Let us assume that if Jesus used a phrase "My generation" He would mean a typical human life span of around 50 or 60 years.I put aside the supernatural resurrection for the time being. That is a big concession for the Christian. But let us for the moment reason without the resurrection of Christ.We know that Paul was a young man when he first appears in the book of Acts and that his ministry as a full fledged apostle is matured in say A.D. 59 when he was writing his first letter to the Corinthian church.When the Apostle Paul was writing his epistles was "this generation" (Matthew 24:34) still Jesus' typical generation or a new generation ?This is addressed to Heretic only.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

hERICtic,The question I ask you is absolutely germane to the disussion.Please look it over again, and propose a reply. You cannot keep saying evidence which does not support your view is "out of context" "jumping ariound" " not the point ".Was "this generation" in Matthew 24:34 still ongoing in A.D. 59 or was that a new generation ?

You are saying that when Paul was a letter writing apostle "this generation" had not yet been followed by a new generation.Thankyou. Was that hard ?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

hERICtic,In 59 AD Jesus, had He lived a non supernatural resurrection life would have been about 60 years old.59 - 33 = 26 years latter.Roughly 33 + 26 = 59.Do you agree ?You say that that still was "this generation" of Matthew 24:34?Since generation is a little undefinite let me ask you:Was it MORE Jesus' generation ?Or was it MORE Paul's generation ?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

What are signs for?
What are signs for?
What are signs for?I think of the signs as indicators, pointers.Now answer my last question please.Should we say that 59 AD was more Jesus' generation or more Paul's generation ?

Erased. Never mind.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Roughly what year, give or take a few, represents the END of "this generation" in Matthew 24:34 ?

hERICtic,Your tag team partner says 90 AD is a good year to stand for the termination of "this generation" in Matthew 24:34.What do you think about that? "Signs" in the sense of Revelation are symbols. "Signs" in the Gospel of John seem to be miracluous works with a deeper spiritual significance. "Sign" in Matthew 24, at first glance, as in verse 30 is a visible event signifying something important. "Signs" in verse 24 are unusual or miraclous feats performed by the false prophets or false christs.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I don't want it grey. I want to identify TWO or more consequtive chronological generations in the New Testament. I already supplied Matthew chapter one as speaking of 14 generations. Three times it does it.Let's get the "grey" out of it and get it more definite.Would you say that the prophet Zechariah or Jeremiah or Isaiah lived in a different generation PRIOR to "this generation" Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:34 ?Look, I have to break it down into small pieces because you guys keep complaining when I write over 200 words. I think you glaze over and do not read my longer posts.This question is for hERICtic. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

PROOF of the concept of a Moral Generation in the mind of Jesus Christ distinct from a Chronological generation: Abel and Zechariah, the son of Berechiah lived in chronologically DIFFERENT generations from the chronological generation of Jesus and His audience. However Jesus says to them: "that upon YOU may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom YOU murdered between the temple and the altar." The word "YOU" leveled at His audience. And they are charged with the murder of prophets who lived in prior chronological generations.If "YOU" represents "this generation" in this sentence - "Truly I say to you, all these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION" that proves that Jesus could use the phrase "THIS GENERATION" to indicate a moral solidarity with people that goes over chronological boundaries.The audience had not been born when Zechariah, the son of Berechiah was persecuted and slain. Yet Jesus charges them with the crime saying "YOU MURDERED" .... that is "YOU" or "this generation".This is a generation that transcends chronological boundaries. It extends into the past before the "YOU" were born. And the guilt of crimes in previous chronological generations will be retributed upon "this generation" . "This generation" therefore here in Matthew 23:36 as well as in Matt. 24:34 should be understood as the leaders of Israel, past, present, and future, who persecuted the prophets and rejected their Messiah.It does not include all of the Jews for some of them became followers of Jesus rather then persecutors.The leaders as the religious hierarchy and those persuaded by them who prosecuted the former prophets in the past and will persecute the prophets and apostles sent by Jesus in the future constitute "this generation" (Matt. 24:34)The essence of Matthew's inclusion of this verse in his gospel is to prove that though Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, He would continue to be REJECTED by the national religious leaders even up until the time of His second coming.This is in answer to the crucial question of his readers: "IF JESUS is the Jewish Messiah, WHY did Israel not recognize Him as such?" Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I don't see you refuting it, do I ?The contemporary people in Jesus' audience constituting listeners were only the EPITOME of a moral group. They were not the entire moral generation.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.