|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total) |
| |
ChatGPT | |
Total: 916,901 Year: 4,158/9,624 Month: 1,029/974 Week: 356/286 Day: 12/65 Hour: 0/0 |
Thread ▼ Details |
|
|
Author | Topic: There you Go,YECs...biblical "evidence" of "flat earth beliefs" | |||||||||||||||||||||||
doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote: The Hebrews did indeed have a word which was used to indicate spherical shape.The word is GULGOLETH from the Babylonian GULGULA, meaning head or skull. Babylonians applied this word to their globular water jars. The Hebrews used a variant of it, GULLAH, to describe pommels and bowls. GOLGOTHA (place of the skull) is the name of the hill on which Jesus was crucified. (pommel is the rounded knob on the hilt of a sword) ----------db
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote: That was by me. There are two words - "gulgoleth", which is translated as head or skull, and "gullah", which is translated as pommel or bowl. (a pommel is the knob on the handle of a sword) These are derived from the Babylonian gulgulla. They used this word to describe a style of water jug. ------------db
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote: The Jerusalem Bible, Reader's Edition, contains this footnote for Joshua 10:13 -"Lines from a popular song, appealing for time to secure victory, are here adapted to the author's purpose." Another example of such poetic fancy may be found at Isaiah 24:19, 23."The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved ... it shall fall, and not rise again. ... the moon shall be confounded and the sun ashamed ..." The passage in Joshua reminds me of a 1950's Sci. Fi. movie titled:"The Day the Earth Stood Still". [ i.e. Ordinary life came to a halt.]
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote: The idea of a spherical earth was endorsed by Aristotle circa 300 BC. The Flat Earth concept goes back to the earliest writings of the Sumerian sages, circa 2500 BC. ------------------Bachelor of Arts - Loma Linda University Major - Biology; Minor - Religion Anatomy and Physiology - LLU School of Medicine Embryology - La Sierra University Biblical languages - Pacific Union College Bible doctrines - Walla Walla College
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote: The key to understanding these passages is to realize the the word translated as "earth" never referred to "planet earth". Have you ever wondered why the creation narrative mentions sun, moon and stars but does not mention planets? To the ancient Hebrews, planets were a kind of star. They did not imagine earth to be one of those! ----------db
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
The sound of this is intriguing but unintelligible.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote: Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about. And THAT is what I was talking about. Get it? My apologies if you are dyslexic. But come on! Can YOU understand what you have written?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote: I cite Aristotle's acceptance of the theory because his opinion was so influential among the fence-sitters.
quote: Can you direct me to the source of this information?
quote: You imply that there were proofs. How did they prove this?
quote: Indeed. They inherited the accumulated knowledge of Egypt and Babylonia. One of the perc’s of world conquest. ---------db
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
quote: Eristothenes is the name, but I thought it was much later than 500 BC. And, if I am not mistaken, his accomplishment was in measuring the circumference of earth (assuming that it was spherical). I am still unsure how the ancients came to be certain of the spherical shape. ---------db
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
LudvanB writes: Those passages clearly demonstrate that the writers thereof firmly believed that the earth was flat and stationary. Hello Ludvan, long time no see. We are handicapped in our understanding of the Bible because we read it in English, and during the Space Age. Our ancient friends did not imagine the universe as we do, and few of us have learned to imagine it as they did. Not that everyone should dumb down to that extent but I think it is important to do so if one intends to understand the words they used to describe the universe they imagined. Because virtually all English translations follow in the tradition of the KJV (AV) with regard to rendering of the Hebrew cosmological narrative, we remain stuck with a 16th century lingo encumbered with 20th century definitions and none of it speaking to the limitations of the underlying Bronze Age terminology. It is interesting to note that the first 1500 years of recorded astronomical observation and cosmological speculation yielded no published consideration of global theory: the idea that Earth and Sea are a unit and wrapped around a giant ball. Then, around 600 BC controversial papers on the subject began to be published by the think tanks of Grecia. Thus global theory was born. But then you probably already knew that, eh? What you may not know already is that biblical authors, at least those who wrote before the time of Aristotle, seem to be unaware, unconvinced, or opposed to the notion that the erets (land, country, ground) should by definition include the yam (sea) and all that wrapped around a humongous ball. They had never written of erets that way before and were apparently not particularly interested in writing about it that way now. The concept was foreign to their vocabulary. How were they to describe an erets which included all the lands and all the seas known to man. It might help to have a new word. But the evolution of the science outpaced the evolution of the language. And shortly after global theory was put into print, the Hebrew language itself became extinct. It blended with the language of Chaldea and Assyria, the major forces of the land of Aram. Today we call that language (now dead itself) Aramaic. I have selected a few verses which you might find interesting in this connection.
quote: Just so you know: the word 'world' is given for the Hebrew tebel "moist" (Strong's #8398) which has its root in yabal "flow" (#2986) see also yabal "stream" (#2988) i.e. running water. The sort of thing which makes a place habitable. By some coincidence, tebel just happens to be defined as: "habitable earth" (Young).
quote: "world" is given for tebel"earth" is given for erets One more for now:
quote: Where "field" is given for erets. There is more but it is late, I am tired. So, until next time ... Theology is the science of Dominion. - - - My God is your god's Boss - - -
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024