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Dr Adequate
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Message 184 of 318 (645672)
12-29-2011 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Portillo
12-28-2011 10:24 PM


Same Ol' Double Standard
My point wasnt that religion has never caused violence, but that atheistic totalitarian regimes have killed even more people than all religious atrocities put together.
And, as I have pointed out, this statement is either pointless or dishonest. You must either compare atheist regimes to theist regimes, or religious atrocities to anti-religious atrocities.
It doesnt matter to atheists that Stalin was an avowed atheist and wanted to exterminate religion.
Should it?
The Emperors Franz Joseph and Wilhelm II were avowed Christians. Does that mean that World War I should be laid at the feet of Christianity, or just at the feet of people who incidentally happened to be Christians?
So why cant the same "excuse" be used for Christianity?
It can, so long as you're consistent about it.
Either you can blame atheism for the Stalinist Terror and blame Christianity for WWI, or you can absolve atheism of the Stalinist Terror and absolve Christianity of WWI. What you cannot reasonably do is have it both ways.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 188 of 318 (645748)
12-29-2011 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Portillo
12-29-2011 3:54 AM


Re: Same Ol' Double Standard
I never denied religious atrocities.
I didn't say you had. Instead, I pointed out (twice now, and at length) wherein your inconsistency lies.
Let's try it again, this time by analogy. Suppose someone in an attempt to disparage black people or to downplay the significance of lynching says: "Black people have murdered a hundred times more people than white people have lynched for racial reasons".
This may actually be true, but it's irrelevant, because he's comparing total murders by black people with racially-motivated murders by white people, which is a mere subset of the number of people they've killed.
To have a level playing field, one should compare like with like --- either compare total murders to total murders, or lynchings to lynchings.
Now you are making an exactly analogous mistake. You are comparing total deaths caused by atheists with religiously-motivated deaths caused by theists. And now that I have exposed the bias implicit in this form of reckoning, I think you should stop.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 230 of 318 (645878)
12-30-2011 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Buzsaw
12-30-2011 10:10 PM


Re: Group Comparisons
Group one: Regular Sunday go meetin fundi NT believers who pray regularly, read the Bible daily, work, attend religious functions often; i.e. your hated Biblio-fundies.
You mean like Dennis Rader?

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Message 232 of 318 (645880)
12-30-2011 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Chuck77
12-30-2011 11:43 PM


Re: You cant create the utopia until you free people from religion and get rid of it.
Capesh?
Capisce.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 258 of 318 (646266)
01-03-2012 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by New Cat's Eye
01-03-2012 2:52 PM


Where religious morivation is man being motivated by his belief in god, you cannot have a religiously motivated god.
Just as Stalin couldn't have been motivated by Stalinism, and Hitler didn't believe in the Fuehrerprinzip. Why, the very idea is a contradiction in terms!

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