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Message 6 of 318 (644487)
12-18-2011 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Butterflytyrant
12-17-2011 11:28 PM


Nobody does Genocide better Christianity
One of the problems with claiming some moral high ground for Christianity is that the evidence just flat refutes it.
No nation, no other religion or belief system does genocide on the scale of Christianity or with as much success as Christianity.
From the very moment Christianity was adopted as a State Religion by Constantine it has been spread by force and by the simple step of totally destroying all remnants of any competing culture, belief, religion or philosophy or by adopting the cultural event and commandeering it to support Christianity.
It has had one simply message; if you are not Christian convert or suffer the consequences both in this life and for eternity.

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Message 22 of 318 (644584)
12-19-2011 10:28 AM
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12-19-2011 12:03 AM


Re: Nobody does Genocide better Christianity
Of course Hitler was a Christian. That is not even subject to debate and anyone denying that fact is simply being willfully ignorant.
I'm not sure if the US killed more people than either Nazi Germany or the USSR, but the US has certainly been far more efficient and effective in committing genocide.
But what I said is "Nobody does genocide better than Christianity" and I'm not sure how anyone could possible even debate that fact.

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Message 45 of 318 (644721)
12-20-2011 10:15 AM


Genocide is more than just killing.
Genocide is more than just killing folk, it is the intentional destruction of a people, a culture, a religion or religious group or a Nation.
There, Christianity has been remarkably efficient and effective as has the US.
All of the territory that is the US today was taken by genocide as well as all of South America, and in both cases one of the dominate tools used was Christianity and the forced imposition of Western Christianity to replace whatever cultures, religions, national identities that existed.
And in addition there is a very strong movement particularly within US Christianity today to continue such Genocide and make the US a Christian Theocracy governed by Christian Law.

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Message 47 of 318 (644725)
12-20-2011 10:24 AM
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12-20-2011 10:18 AM


Re: Genocide is more than just killing.
Yes, if that is the tool used then the religion must assume responsibility.
Christianity has a long and very successful history of destroying or subverting the religions, places of worship, cultures, dress, languages and practices of others.

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Message 51 of 318 (644730)
12-20-2011 10:39 AM
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12-20-2011 10:33 AM


Re: Genocide is more than just killing.
Probably not, unless you intended to make the spallin arrors.
That wass an accident I hope, but the use of religion was intentional and accepted as a desired goal.

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Message 54 of 318 (644735)
12-20-2011 10:52 AM
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12-20-2011 10:41 AM


Re: Genocide is more than just killing.
I certainly would when the religious folk were active and willing participants and in many cases one of the driving forces as in the case of the destruction of all other cultures in the US.
One particularly dark example is what happened in Hawaii.

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Message 68 of 318 (644859)
12-21-2011 9:56 AM
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12-21-2011 3:57 AM


Re: I have some data from the Bible to put on the table
While it is true that many of the stories in the Bible are simply myths and fables; and the stories where there is some reason to think did actually happen it is pretty certain that accounts are both exaggerated and slanted to fit the authors position, the genocide committed by Christianity since Biblical times is pretty well documented.
Christianity simply has never played nicely with any other belief system and seldom even plays nicely with other Christians.

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Message 129 of 318 (645314)
12-25-2011 7:50 PM
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12-25-2011 5:11 PM


Re: Numbers From Fiction
We can discount all the atrocities in the Bible stories, there is still ample evidence that no religion has ever been better at genocide than Christianity.

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Message 141 of 318 (645340)
12-26-2011 9:10 AM
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12-25-2011 11:10 PM


Re: Taiping Rebellion, ad infinitum
Buz writes:
OTOH, RCC bloody perpetrators of the Inquisitions brutally tortured and murdered so many protesting true Christians who refused to recant and become subservient to the authority of the popes and bishops of Rome.
Buz, during the Inquisitions the only Christians involved were Roman Catholics. There were no "true Christians" other than the Roman Catholics in the West.

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Message 144 of 318 (645344)
12-26-2011 11:13 AM
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12-26-2011 10:37 AM


Re: Papal Inquisitions
Oh good grief Buz.
In the West the only Christian Church was the Roman Catholic Church, the Church founded by Jesus until
Foxe's Book of Martyrs is a work of fiction and propaganda written long after the Inquisition.
And if you want to honestly look at religious persecutions there were few as likely to kill others as the Protestants. Look at that Puritan Cromwell.
If you would like I would be happy to see a thread where the subject can be discussed.

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Message 182 of 318 (645670)
12-28-2011 10:33 PM
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12-28-2011 10:24 PM


Re: You cant create the utopia until you free people from religion and get rid of it.
LOL
More utter nonsense.
What happened to all of the various religions and cultures that were in pre-Christian Europe?

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Message 192 of 318 (645752)
12-29-2011 3:17 PM
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12-29-2011 2:34 PM


Re: You cant create the utopia until you free people from religion and get rid of it.
But GDR is not mute about the subject.

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Message 195 of 318 (645761)
12-29-2011 7:00 PM
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12-29-2011 6:31 PM


Re: You cant create the utopia until you free people from religion and get rid of it.
hooah212002 writes:
However, my grudge with liberal christianity still stands as "you" guys will stand as a shield against the extremists.
Too funny.
Yes Liberal Christians do try to shield folk like you. We pray for your soul too. Yes we are a shield against extremism.
We don't even ask you to be grateful.

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Message 197 of 318 (645765)
12-29-2011 7:35 PM
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12-29-2011 7:28 PM


Re: You cant create the utopia until you free people from religion and get rid of it.
Utter bullshit.
We too have to deal with the extremists.
No one has said it is still a faux-pa to mock the belief that we need a magic jewish zombie to forgive us for some rib-woman eating a fruit.
No liberal I know of has ever said that "you need to let people believe what they want", it is the US Constitution that says that.
Consider telling the truth and stop misrepresenting reality.

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Message 200 of 318 (645769)
12-29-2011 8:20 PM
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12-29-2011 8:02 PM


Re: You cant create the utopia until you free people from religion and get rid of it.
It really doesn't much matter what you see.
And I did not say "pray for reduced extremism", I said pray for YOU.
I think you will admit that I and several others do speak out against extremism.
Apathy is certainly an issue, as it has always been. But Liberal Christianity is not the problem.

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