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kofh2u
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Message 101 of 722 (682150)
11-30-2012 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Phat
11-30-2012 3:00 AM


Re: Confuzzled
Isa 45:7
I, (almighty Reality), form the light, and create darkness:
I, (both Friend and Foe of the living), make peace, and create (the environment for possible great misfortune), evil:
I, (both Friend and Foe to life and man), the LORD, (of the living), do all these things, (naturally, through the environmental forces).
This seems pantheistic to me....but then again, describing God is not easy.....even though you make Him up, He conforms His reality to our imaginations....
1) The idea is pan-en-theistic.'That means God is everything that is not you.
God is what it is that exists, that claims, "I am," and is present with you, interacting and reacting to you.
God is Reality.
God includes everything that is separated from your conscious thinking inside you head. Your seven senses inform you that something other than you is here, doing things and reacting to you.
Yoiu try to develop Truth about this entity so you can decide what it actually is.
2) Man makes up fantasy worlds by falsely preceiving the one Reality which we all must leard to face.
That Reality is almighty, as the second death of the extinction of the whole species reminds us.
The Noah tale is a clue to recognizing that what I say define God, but the "proof" that the Father is the entity we call Reality came in 32AD.
Christ said, "I am the Truth," (which is an ideal), "and the way" (into understanding Reality), "and the Life" (which really exists for us who face the Facts-of-Life).
So, logically, if the "son" is Truth, his "father" must de facto be the ever unfolding Reality which sires that Truth in its wake.
IS THIS ON TOPIC?
YES.
The defense wins when we see this is a God who is just accused of being the Reality men do not like to face and accept.
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kofh2u
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Message 103 of 722 (682156)
11-30-2012 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Theodoric
11-30-2012 8:40 AM


Re: Why Didn't Jesus Condemn OT God?
You are going to have to buy into a lot of foolish lies in order to accept the Jesus of the bible unquestioningly.
The Jesus of the bible offers no new or better moral code than anything before or after.
How about Truth as the foundation for supporting our social behavior, is that a good foundation for a moral code or Social contract???
Jesus said he physically presented himself as the personification of the ideal, Truth, because that is the "way" to shed light into the Reality men must face of suffer.
Can we absolve God from these accusations that he is evil by recognizing the Truth about things like the destructive sexual behavior in America?
With Single Mothers now drawing $1 Trillion dollars a year in Welfare can we avoid collapse whike Islamic patriarchs interrupt our Economic System?
Can America continue to freeze citizens out of the major cities because of the high high high crime rates maintained by the kids these Single Mothers raise?
With illegitmacy at half of all births in America now, can we politiclly ignore the Realities and avoid the Truth and survive??
Is there ANY other social entity but Religion in the discussion of our present Social Contract which tells the Truth about this Sexual Revolution that is destroying America?
Is God good because he sent Christ to remind us about the Truth and the Way and the Life we hope will not become extinct???

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kofh2u
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Message 104 of 722 (682159)
11-30-2012 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by jaywill
11-30-2012 9:26 AM


Re: Why Didn't Jesus Condemn OT God?
Want to change the discussion to something about historical evidence for Jesus' existence ?
No.
Stay on Topic.
God is Good for sending us The Truth as a bench marker in 32AD,
Truth was here before Abraham.
We do not need to establish a Jesus historically, since he merely personified the ideal of Truth which we all know is the lord.
i.e.; Everyone here pretends to the Truth of what he argues.
What we need now is honesty.
The Democrats lie and the Republicans fear the Truth will alienate the sexually permissive single women, teenage guys, Welfare recipients, Black intercity voters, pro-abortion mothers of young daughters, sexually over active Gays, free condom Harlots, etc.
Only the Church could speak up if it were not discredited as foolishly anti-science and full of pedaphiles.
Welfare = Military Budget
Welfare $1 trillion in 2011
'Welfare' spending topped $1 trillion in 2011, study shows | Fox News
70% of violent crime = kids raised by Single Mothers:
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kofh2u
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Message 108 of 722 (682294)
11-30-2012 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Stile
11-30-2012 11:19 AM


Re: Why Didn't Jesus Condemn OT God?
Did Jesus give me my brain?
Assuming yes, then I would say that Jesus has made me "more equipped to pass judgement on these biblical events." I would even go on to say that Jesus wants me to pass my own judgement. If not... why would He have given me a brain?
That seems logical to me.
But what Christ actually did say was that he represented the concept of Truth, the personification of that ideal.
"I am the Truth, and the Way, and the Life."
So what Jesus wants is for you to use your brain to see the Truth and accept it.
This makes sense since thinking is man's only cope-ing skill and his survival even as a species depends upon "Thinking Straight."
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kofh2u
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Message 109 of 722 (682298)
11-30-2012 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Rahvin
11-30-2012 1:26 PM


Re: Really?
I don't much care about insects and squirrels and so on from an ethical standpoint. I care even less about a fetus (until later in the pregnancy, when brain activity indicative of self-awareness is detectable
Less especially for a fetus that is mothered by an unwed pagan acting democratic voting Welfare candidate.
What the Fed is trying to do with Planned Parenthood is to reduce the $1 Trillion dollar Welfare cost in 2011 that is growing by leaps and bounds without changing the Culture of adolescent sexual activity for 14 years before marriage occurring around age 26.
They have attempted to prevent pregnancies by Sex Education since Roe Vs Wade in 1972.
But it has not dented the consistent 1.2 million annual and necessary abortions nor the ever increasing 1.5 million illegitimacies NOT aborted.
No one is really "pro-Abortion," not the girl, nor her mother, nor the democrats.
They are all anti-baby without a supporting father.
But as long asthe Homosexual, Hollywood, the Feminists, the TV, and mom and dad raise up unashamed sexually active, unsupervised, and irresponsible teenagers taught to use sex for fun, we MUST try to kill the 3 million pregnancies that the USA just can not afford any longer.
The sin of course, is protecting and defending sexual promiscuity.
Te sinners are us adults who raise the next generation explicitly teaching them to be sexual asap.
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kofh2u
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Message 110 of 722 (682300)
11-30-2012 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Rahvin
11-30-2012 1:26 PM


Re: Really?
there is no ultimate standard of morality.
Morality is a social invention.
Morality is based upon the concept Moses preached, "What comes around, goes around."
The idea is that one must be certain his/her behavior hurts no one else, not even himself.
Soin a nut shell, morality becomes a set of imposed rules on behavior that restrict action or failures to act which ultimately or directly hurt others.
The reasoning is that, without this rule, probably you or I would be the ones getting hurt by the bigger guys.

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kofh2u
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Message 118 of 722 (682579)
12-03-2012 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by jaywill
12-01-2012 1:35 PM


Re: Really?
I think your accusation was that God is not good because there is a record of Him having some children killed in the Bible. So I was not asking about squirrels and insects.
The Reality is that we are all trapped with a Reality that kills us all, sooner of later.
Why would the qeustion even arise whether this reflects on whether reality is good or bad therefore?
The facts-of-life are that reality both Nurtures us and Kills us, eventually.
Another Fact-of-Life is that evolution is a series of Natural Laws which are intended to totally eliminate a species like Neanderthal man unless they bow down and adapt the this almighty force behind this inescapable Reality that you question.
Isa 45:7
I, (almighty Reality), form the light, and create darkness:
I,
(both Friend and Foe of the living), make peace, and create (the environment for possible great misfortune), evil:
I, (both Friend and Foe to life and man), the LORD, (of the living), do all these things, (naturally, through the environmental forces).

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kofh2u
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Message 119 of 722 (682580)
12-03-2012 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Rahvin
12-03-2012 7:50 PM


Re: Really?
The fact that the Bible mentions real-world locations and people has no bearing on whether the remainder is factual...
True.
But scientifically incorrect statements in the Potter book will not be found in th Bible.

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kofh2u
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Message 121 of 722 (682584)
12-03-2012 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Rahvin
12-03-2012 8:11 PM


Re: Really?
There's no need to dispute something that's not claimed.
But of course his point was that places and historical events mentioned in the bible are true, right?
And the things you would dispute are ideas, aren't they?
You would say that Truth is the mesdiah, correct for mankind correct?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the truth,
the way, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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kofh2u
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Message 128 of 722 (682711)
12-04-2012 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by jaywill
12-03-2012 8:53 PM


Re: The Kindness and Severity of God
The topic is about whether God is truly good. I believe of course God is.
The issue is moot for bible people, isn't it?
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:

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kofh2u
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Message 129 of 722 (682713)
12-04-2012 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Larni
12-04-2012 6:57 AM


Re: Character
I can see your point.
But what you seem to be doing (addressed below) is implying that when God does something awful (such as the Fluod) that he is actually doing good and that he is doing good because anything he does is by definition good.
Until one identifies God as the father of Truth, and thereafter realizes that "God" is an euphemism for the Reality which corresponds to Truth this evaluation makes no sense.
The force behind the ever unfolding Reality that fathers Truth and what is to be consider true in its wake is good bcause kiving in a Fantasy World is the definition of insanity.
Isn't it?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the truth, (a personification of that ideal)
the way, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, (almighty Reality), but by me.

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kofh2u
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Message 131 of 722 (682744)
12-05-2012 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Larni
12-05-2012 4:15 AM


Re: Character
You are simply interpreting the bible rather than reading it properly.
I am certain that you are too intelligent to believe otherwise that that everyone who reads interprets what any book or Bible says, and then asserts that the interpretation is proper.
Your comment implies that my "book report" differs from yours.''It differs from the book report down through the ages.
It differs from the medieval book report on Genesis that has come down almost unchallenged and unchanged since the Dark Ages.
My book report says that the academic facts and the sciences discoveries on the modern age show your book report does not make rational sense anymore.
This is a very important matter for the whole Christian community.
Only the Pope has made a public statement to accept evolution.
He no doubt remembers when the Roman Catholic Church opposed Galileo.
The foolish leaders of the Christian churches today can either suffer a Reformation later, or drop those poor and erroneous interpretations they have maintained though the Middle Ages that did not properly understand Genesis.
They can join me in preaching the Bible to be scientifically and factually true, or they can watch the atheists ridicule them, their religion, and their bible.
This is the moment of Truth for you, first, then your church, and last, Christianity.
Rev. 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold,... (the golden spiritual insights of the irrepressible idea of psychic Consciousness emerging from scripture) ... tried in the fire... (of time),... that thou mayest be rich... (in continued church leadership); and (re-interpret upon) white (yet unwritten, new pages), raiment,... (of revised books of your evermore obvious misinterpretations), ...that thou mayest be clothed... (and protected in thine thinking with secularly acceptable scriptural confirmations), ...and that the shame... (as visited in Geocentricism does not reoccur concerning magical Creationism, impossible literal world-wide floods, genealogies of individuals who lived inordinately long personal life times, Sun and Moon and Stars absent from the Heavens while light shines through the Cosmos, etc) ...of thy nakedness... (of your unsupportable intuitive irrationalities) ...do not appear... (and confront you as happened before The Reformation); ...and anoint thine eyes...(awaken!)... with (the) eyesalve... (of reality!), ...that thou mayest see... (socio-psychologically).

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kofh2u
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Message 132 of 722 (682745)
12-05-2012 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Coragyps
12-04-2012 10:28 AM


Re: Character
So an omnipotent creator of all things was forced by his own creation to "intervene" where "intervening" is strictly defined as "slaughtering by rainfall."
Really, Jaywill, can you not see what Larni is saying? Can you not even read your own Holy Book for the words that are written there?!
LOL
That was really funny.
If we accept the idea that these church people have about this God they read about in the Bible and then assign such characteristics and behaviors to, your point would show right here how silly they are.
The God who the bible preaches is an ideal, a spirit of mind.
"He" is Truth.
The Truth is that all men went extinct, 40 thousand years of "days and nights" ago, during a massive "flooding" Out-of-Africa which ended with Modern man spread world wide and even to the tops of the mountains.
The Truth is that are all trapped and living in an Almighty Reality that both nurtures and threatens us, and our species.
The Facts-of-Life are that we, too, could become Extinct if we do not adapt and ow down to "His" ways.

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kofh2u
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Message 134 of 722 (682753)
12-05-2012 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Larni
12-05-2012 8:53 AM


Re: Character
In this instance I would echo Faith by saying that when science or the socio-political climate conflicts with the Bible a Christian should still go with the Bible: because it says so int he bible.
?
I though the Bible said christians always go along with The Truth.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the truth,
the way, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, (i.e.; The Truth: [ John 14:6]), there am I, (Truth), in the midst of them.

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kofh2u
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Message 136 of 722 (682775)
12-05-2012 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Larni
12-05-2012 10:31 AM


Re: Character
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The Truth is not defined by man but by the God of the bible and the only way we can be informed of this Truth is via the bible.
Truth is the "son-of-God."
Truth is an ideal which men hope they can image inside their mind.
It is this image that defines and reveals God as the almighty entity of the Reality man must adapt and obey.
Hence, the father of Truth is the real world men interact within, which claims, "I am."
Reality insists that reality is, it does exist and is the same fir all men.
Only by making an image of Reality, and acting in accord with that Truth can men be saved from the consequences of not obeying the father of all nature.

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