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Author Topic:   Where should there be "The right to refuse service"?
Faith 
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Message 196 of 928 (729093)
06-05-2014 4:14 PM
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06-05-2014 4:13 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
Talk about lies and slander.

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Message 197 of 928 (729094)
06-05-2014 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Faith
06-05-2014 3:49 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
I obey God, period. Your society forbids me to obey God. You call that justice, I call that fascism. End of subject.
You have the exact same position as David Koresh did.
The worst part about you, though, is that you only allow for this kind of religious freedom when you, personally, agree with it. If someone else, like a segregationalist, uses your same arguments then you're perfectly happy to deny them their religious freedom.
Granted, you've already admitted that you're a hypocrite.

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Faith 
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Message 198 of 928 (729098)
06-05-2014 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by New Cat's Eye
06-05-2014 4:15 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
That's correct, they are not following Biblical truth. My beliefs are the standard traditional Christian Bible based beliefs.
However, murdering David Koresh and his group was a perfect example of the tyranny of the fascist state which had only just begun at that time.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 199 of 928 (729101)
06-05-2014 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Faith
06-05-2014 4:21 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
That's correct, they are not following Biblical truth.
Then you are an enemy to religious freedom. It's meant to allow all religions, not just your personal favorite one.

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Faith 
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Message 200 of 928 (729102)
06-05-2014 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by New Cat's Eye
06-05-2014 4:25 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
I didn't say others weren't allowed, I grant people the right to be wrong in their beliefs; this is about the fascist state disallowing my beliefs.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 201 of 928 (729103)
06-05-2014 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Faith
06-05-2014 4:21 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
Faith writes:
murdering David Koresh and his group was a perfect example of the tyranny of the fascist state which had only just begun at that time.
(If there are any christians out there, you SHOULD be really embarrassed to have Faith on your team)

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Message 202 of 928 (729104)
06-05-2014 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Faith
06-05-2014 4:14 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
quote:
Talk about lies and slander.
One only needs to read your words to see that I spoke the truth.

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Faith 
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Message 203 of 928 (729105)
06-05-2014 4:30 PM
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06-05-2014 4:27 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
You have a problem with my saying that a cult should have rights too?

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Message 204 of 928 (729106)
06-05-2014 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Faith
06-05-2014 4:07 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
That's fine, Taq, you refuse to recognize Christian theology and reasoning, so we'll take the punishment accorded by those of your fascistic mindset.
You haven't shown me any christian theology, only your own personal theology which has nothing to do with the Bible or christianity. Your need to discriminate has as much to do with the Bible as segregation did.

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Taq
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Message 205 of 928 (729107)
06-05-2014 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Faith
06-05-2014 4:11 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
No, I obey God, the true God who was recognized by your culture and mine up until the recent takeover by paganism or secularism or whatever you want to call it, which has redefined justice, freedom, the lot, to accommodate false gods and evil gods and every kind of god but the true God. And yes, your false ahistorical and fascistic definition of justice is going to punish those who obey the true God, haven't I been saying so all along?
Yes, our fascist justice system that makes people bake cakes.

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dronestar
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Message 206 of 928 (729108)
06-05-2014 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Taq
06-05-2014 4:31 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
Faq writes:
Yes, our fascist justice system that makes people bake cakes.
Swasticakes. Sweet tribalism on the outside, wholesome random beatings on the inside.

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Taq
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Message 207 of 928 (729109)
06-05-2014 4:48 PM


Good Samaritan
I can't help but think of the parable of the Good Samaritan. There you had a man lying in the gutter dying. People passed by and refused to help him. It took a Samaritan, who was reviled by the Jews, to show the holier-than-thou's how to treat their fellow human beings.
Luke 10:25-37
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. Teacher, he asked, what must I do to inherit eternal life?
26 What is written in the Law? he replied. How do you read it?
27 He answered, ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’\[b\]
28 You have answered correctly, Jesus replied. Do this and you will live.
29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, And who is my neighbor?
30 In reply Jesus said: A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
36 Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?
37 The expert in the law replied, The one who had mercy on him.
Jesus told him, Go and do likewise.
Which of those three are you, Faith?
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 208 of 928 (729110)
06-05-2014 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Taq
06-05-2014 4:30 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
You haven't shown me any christian theology,
As I said, you refuse to recognize Christian theology.
What I've given of my beliefs is shared by at least five Christian business owners in five different states who have been sued for having those beliefs. There must be more than one Christian business owner in each state, and Christian business owners are a small subset of Christians, so you can be sure that my beliefs are shared by a great many more than you are willing to allow.

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Faith 
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Message 209 of 928 (729111)
06-05-2014 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Taq
06-05-2014 4:31 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
Yes, our fascist justice system that makes people bake cakes.
How odd you would deny this at this point in the discussion. The fascist state you support would punish Christians for refusing to make wedding cakes.

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Taq
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Message 210 of 928 (729112)
06-05-2014 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Faith
06-05-2014 4:59 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
How odd you would deny this at this point in the discussion. The fascist state you support would punish Christians for refusing to make wedding cakes.
Just as we punished those christians for not serving blacks.

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