Where should there be "The right to refuse service"?

Right, they will choose it based on their understanding of its being a violation of God's law to perform the services requested. And what REAL difference does that make if thousands of them close for this reason? You'll just shrug it off as cockroaches in the kitchen and go your merry way I guess. Isn't going change the fact that it was REALLY an exercise of what should be their protected religious right, just give you a way to lie about it to make yourself feel justified. I'd say history will eventually show you're wrong but I have this nagging feeling we don't have much history left.

It doesn't matter why they choose to violate the conditions of their licenses. They could be obeying the pink elephants on the ceiling. The point is that it's their choice; nobody's forcing them to do anything. None.

Absolutely correct. Christians will be out of business because they are Christians and for no other reason but that's exactly the same as being out of business for violating the health code. Exactly.

No, the battle for gay rights is not over. At least not here in the US.I'm sure there were better places to eat than the Woolworth's lunch counter back in the summer of 1960. Perhaps those college students should have just gone to the on-campus cafeteria to eat. After all, that was well past the point where 'separate but equal' was held not be a proper interpretation of the 14th amendment.I do get your point. But there is a limited amount of inconvenience and indignity anyone ought to have put up with from, particularly when the law is on your side. If anybody is going to be inconvenienced why should it be the purchasers?Assuming that such a choice does not require visiting 15 bakers to find such a vendor, or perhaps traveling 50 miles when there is a perfectly good baker down the road who happens to be an asshole, then yeah, I see your point, why not just patronize the friendly businesses? But frankly, I don't give a crap about a bigot's right to discriminate.

Or their misunderstanding of such...We've heard this excuse before.Segregation and God's Word - interracial marriage forbidden

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Genesis 6:1-7 and they took them wives of all which they chose. The promiscuous co-habitation of sons of God (Seth's Godly line) with daughters of men (Cain's worldly line), resulted in breakdown of morality, provoking the Lord to destroy the earth by flood.

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Sure, go right ahead and build up the lies against us so you can feel really really justified when Christians have lost all their businesses. You are no Christian, you don't have to be concerned. It will probably help when they destroy our property and beat us up too. We had it coming, right? I wonder if this is related to that prophecy that people won't be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast.

Typical propaganda-type lie, RAZD. Lies really do help to get the uninformed in a rage against people the establishment hates. Nazi Germany did it particularly well, and this picture is right down that alley.

I know, right? It's crazy the way the Nazis also passed laws against zealots practicing religious bigotry in commercial transactions...Not.They did round up the gays for death camps, though. You'd have liked that. You really got me there. Sadistic, sinister liberals DO just keep passing those danged godless laws protecting people from discrimination like there's no day of reckoning. They could pass tax breaks for the wealthy instead, like Jesus and his GOP disciples would do, but oh no, they've gone too far into the swamps of liberty.You can't get much more Nazi than that.

Very similar actually, since they were accused of religiously motivated atrocities against "Christians." Boycott of Jewish Businesses | Holocaust Encyclopedia ABE: Forgot the point that their businesses were boycotted. The devil does of course tailor his dirty work to the circumstances, but there are nevertheless similarities.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Godwin's Law for the win ...Curiously that picture comes from a Christian organisation:

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The Christian Left: We're hoping this is so ridiculous that it doesn't need to be explained as satire, but we just did anyway.

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Silly me - I thought one christian's viewpoint was as valid as another's ...Enjoy

Never heard of the Christian Left as a particular organization but it seems to promote the views of the generic Christian left, which involves a sentimental unbiblical Jesus and a lot of other lies.The Christians being put out of business never denied gays anything or treated them differently from anybody else. It's about the institution of Gay Marriage, period. And that's what you are lying about.

To close a business can be quite difficult financially and emotionaly. I can imagine being forced to close a business is that much more difficult. Maybe there is something the community can do to help speed and ease the process. Maybe some christian newspapers and local christian advertising flyers can give price breaks for advertising christian businesses closing because of their gay bias. Maybe there could be community-based charity groups that could organize in-store equipment and asset sales for a better price than waiting to put everything on lower-biding auctions.Any help the community can give to speed the christians out of the public business sector would be most beneficial to society in both the near and long terms. Christians could be out of their businesses with some residual assets rather than being on the public welfare rolls and the next group the christians decide to be bigoted toward wouldn't have to suffer the economic hardship of being refused common business dealings. It could be a win-win. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

In the effort to eliminate bigots, perhaps we can also close the Muslim businesses that won't cater to Jews, or won't bake cakes for gay weddings?And perhaps we should have those Muslim airport taxi cab drivers fired who declined, for religious reasons, to pick up passengers carrying alcohol or those accompanied by dogs?

"Dogs". "Alcohol"Really Coyote. You think someone who does not tolerate dogs or alcohol is a bigot?Maybe they are silly, but not exactly a bigots in my opinion. Dogs and alcohol are excluded from lots of places except guide animals. Where did you get this idea from? Drinkers are a protected class? Or should be? Get a grip.You cannot smoke in my car for reasons I won't bother to recite or defend. The reasons might even be religious. Not bigotry by any definition.Those who won't serve Jews or gays are bigots. I don't see anyone saying anything different. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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I do get your point. But there is a limited amount of inconvenience and indignity anyone ought to have put up with from, particularly when the law is on your side. If anybody is going to be inconvenienced why should it be the purchasers?

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Assuming that such a choice does not require visiting 15 bakers to find such a vendor, or perhaps traveling 50 miles when there is a perfectly good baker down the road who happens to be an asshole, then yeah, I see your point, why not just patronize the friendly businesses?
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I don't know the details of these cases, but I got the sense that the gays in question sought out the bakers in order to make a point - rather than just happened to go into their local baker to ask for a cake. If it was the latter, then I agree, they should take no prisoners.

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But frankly, I don't give a crap about a bigot's right to discriminate.

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Me neither, but I think it's tactically wrong to go out hunting bigots, it'll just give them reasonable cause for their persecution complex - as we see with Faith. It's better that they're just marginalised and ignored.