Where should there be "The right to refuse service"?

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I do get your point. But there is a limited amount of inconvenience and indignity anyone ought to have put up with from, particularly when the law is on your side. If anybody is going to be inconvenienced why should it be the purchasers?

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Assuming that such a choice does not require visiting 15 bakers to find such a vendor, or perhaps traveling 50 miles when there is a perfectly good baker down the road who happens to be an asshole, then yeah, I see your point, why not just patronize the friendly businesses?
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I don't know the details of these cases, but I got the sense that the gays in question sought out the bakers in order to make a point - rather than just happened to go into their local baker to ask for a cake. If it was the latter, then I agree, they should take no prisoners.

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But frankly, I don't give a crap about a bigot's right to discriminate.

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Me neither, but I think it's tactically wrong to go out hunting bigots, it'll just give them reasonable cause for their persecution complex - as we see with Faith. It's better that they're just marginalised and ignored.

Putting an end to acts of bigotry by Christians in modern America does not equal Nazis laying groundwork for the Holocaust. Both Jews and gays, then and now, provoked bigotry from outraged "Christian" sensibilities. You can plug modern Christians into the Nazi equation if you wish, but I don't think you'd like where they fit.Christians in general, and European Christians in particular, have a long record of persecuting Jews and other religious minorities. The Nazis were a particularly pure and vicious distillation of your creed.There is no devil, dear--we made him up to explain the blood on our hands and our taste for it. Dig through the bone mountain memorializing the human stain, and it's all people, all the way down.

Maybe later. Right now the christians are the persecution target of choice. There are so many of them. And all that moaning and groaning and gnashing of teeth you hear when you crush them is just so satisfying.

I don't believe that those four college students stumbled into Woolworth's by accident. They went there to make a point.

Lies? You're saying that nobody ever argued that racial purity was God's will? Wrong.Typical fundy. He/she is told to obey the law, and you'd think they'd been thrown to the lions the way they protest. Nobody is coming to beat you up Faith. Did you forget that you don't even own a business that allows you to discriminate? Yes, I am. But I am not a Christian bigot.

This is pretty much a lie. The didn't bake a cake they'd have baked for just about anyone else without asking a single religious question.Perhaps you'd like to rephrase your statement just a bit.

Well, they'll be out of business for violating. In one case it's a health code; in the other case it's a human rights code. It makes no difference whether they are Christians or Muslims or atheists. They have no special rights to violate any code.

God's law does contradict a lot of human ideas of law. He'll win in the end though. Those choosing against Him really should consider that.

So leave God's justice to God. Let he who is without sin refuse to bake a cake.

'Gay cake' row: Judge rules against Ashers bakery - BBC News

It's worth adding as well, that the pro-gay marriage slogan wasn't just a gratuitous request by the campaigner - it had a legitimate purpose, in that the cake was ordered for use at an event to support an International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia.That said, I suspect that the activist ordering the cake deliberately chose a Christian bakery to make a point.The point's a fair one to make though.It's also worth noting that both sides agreed that the damages would be a fairly nominal 500, which is being donated to charity. No one is being ruined, as a result of this test case.

Interesting. So in this case, we don't just have a cake for a legal marriage, we have the law requiring a bakery to make a statement cake. Does that change the equation for anyone? I'm waffling a bit on that issue. Are there any non violent statements (other than Nazi sympathetic ones) that a bakery could refuse to print.

No for me.If the baker believes there is a problem, he/she can report it to the police. But bake the cake anyway.

He could legally not bake 'statement cakes' that aren't discriminatory (race, sex, religion, disability) - that's the test.He could bake a cake that was sympathetic to Nazis so long as it doesn't break other laws of harassment or incitement to harm etc.Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

duplicate. Please ignoreEdited by NoNukes, : No reason given.