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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
At what stage is the sediment being stripped form the land? Where is all this sediment coming from? The ocean. Waltheer's Law. But during the rain I assume the land would have been stripped, or somewhat stripped. I don't see why this is a problem. Where would it come from on the OE theory? Out of the sky?
This still creates the problem of stripping off all the land and depositing miles deep of sediment in 150 days! Your scenario doesn't even allow for an entire year of deposition. It would make more sense to have all the sediments being stripped off in the first 150 days and then deposited in the remaining time of the flood, but then that creates other problems right? I don't know, forty days of extremely heavy rain plus the fountains of the deep sending sea level over the land seems like plenty of scouring to me. But Walther's Law deposits sediments from the ocean itself. There's plenty of stuff to get deposited in a Flood that covered the earth. I've been trying to get a grip on what the Flood passage actually says. It may be a while before I have a settled idea about it. Actually , since Moose called jar off topic I've realized this whole discussion of specifics about the Flood is off topic. You don't even get what I mean by the landscapes I say are fiction. I think it's time to get back to that. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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But Walther's Law deposits sediments from the ocean itself. The sands and muds are detritus which have an on-land source. The carbonates and coccolith foram (silica) ooze are biochemical precipitates out of the seawater, although even then I think the ultimate source of the carbonate and silica is largely from an on-land source. Walther's Law is the relationship between the types of sediments of lateral deposits (shoreline to deep sea) and the types of sediments found in a column at a given location. It does not say that the sediments are derived from the ocean basin. Moose
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Good question. Perhaps it implies that where they were buried had nothing to do with where they lived, but suggests why there would be tracks of frantically running dinosaurs where they ended up buried.
You have yet to show us why the dinosaur were 'frantically running'. You have tides coming in and tides going out why would they be running if the don't run in modern times.
They probably floated to their burial place on the rising water. abe: Picture a lot of dinosaur corpses floating in the water along with a lot of dinosaur eggs in nests.
Sorry, but I'm still laughing.
Walk out from where? This is the middle of the Flood, there isn't any place that is livable, it's all encroaching water, or water that's already drowned a bunch of them.
Well, if they left tracks in an unlivable place at a certain time then there must have been someplace that was livable at that time.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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They probably floated to their burial place on the rising water. abe: Picture a lot of dinosaur corpses floating in the water along with a lot of dinosaur eggs in nests. That global flood was awesomely gentle... Carved the grand canyon in less than a year you say? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: Which would wipe out all the land animals, right ? Genesis 7:17-23 says so. So you are telling us that these tracks were made, and survived during that period ? While the land was being scoured ?
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2404 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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If there is one consistency within the group that hold that the 'literal' reading of the bible is the one true way and also attempt to dabble in 'scientific' explanations, it's a lack of understanding or respect or application of the "If / Then" conditional statement.
They say things and then when the downstream implications of their statements are pointed out to them they cry some version of "That's not my point" or "Strawman". The results of a conditional statement are not a strawman whether or not you thought of or like the outcome. Someone here (Percy?) did a piece on this very thing once using the claim of a car traveling some long distance in one hour and the driver then denying the obvious results of the "IF you drove that far in that amount of time, THEN you broke the law" conclusion. "I NEVER SAID I BROKE THE LAW - YOU'RE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH - YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, NOT ME" was the cry in response. I know that some minds have a more natural affinity for logic than others, but I still believe that for those of us in the US at least, in our education system we are failing to get the basics across in an adequate manner. JB
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know yet if I accept the interpretation of forty days to accomplish the whole Flood; I just discovered that's how some people read it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That global flood was awesomely gentle... It lifted the ark up rather gently from the sound of it. No reason in some phases it couldn't have been gentle.
Carved the grand canyon in less than a year you say? No, I did not say, and of COURSE you have to get that wrong too no matter how many millions of times I've said it. The RECEDING WATERS OF THE FLOOD, after the Flood had reached its height and was starting to abate, after all the strata were stacked to their fullest height, THEN the water cut through the upper strata, broke it up, washed it away, eroded the Grand Staircase and the Kaibab Plateau, and cut the canyon, probably picking up velocity as things opened up. Pay attention, think. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Actually, it's how one of the stories puts it. Remember there is not one flood myth but two flood myths with additional commentary added by some unknown redactor or redactors.
But what the Bible says or does not say is totally irrelevant to this thread just as the flood is totally irrelevant to this thread. Your problem is that all of the evidence simply shows conclusively that what is seen is a series of landscapes, each made up of many different types of rock, each filled with a succession of different types of living organisms and landscapes. You need to produce a model that can compete with the current model of change over time and so far neither you or anyone else has been able to present anything worth more than a chuckle. Edited by jar, : appalin spallinMy Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: The point is not about "accomplishing the whole Flood", the point is that the animals are all killed in the 40 days. Which, given your description, sounds pretty much inevitable.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Dinosaurs "walking out on an unlivable place" isn't a straw man? It's a SILLY straw man.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As I said, I just learned about this view of it, and I may not accept it.
ABE: The more I read the Biblical account the more clear it seems that the timing of the events isn't relevant to the writer, except for the one point that it lasted about a year, and that is even subject to some variation. (It's this fact that jar interprets as more than one account. You might even be able to get three or four out of it if you followed jar's way of cutting things). The point in the text at which an event in the Flood is reported is likely not to be much of a clue to when it actually occurred during the Flood year itself. The way it is written it is almost impossible to tell whether the Flood reached its height after forty days or continued to increase afterward, or exactly when the rain and the fountains were completely stopped, or whether the Flood had abated or was just starting to abate at the end of 150 days, and different commentators take different positions on these questions. This is an impression I'm getting from reading through it a number of times but it needs careful study. It may be in the end that it's simply impossible to be sure about when things happened. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
Firstly, it's not jar's idea, it is perfectly standard Bible scholarship.
And I'd say it is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the confused nature of the story. What is your explanation for that ? God got confused and didn't understand what happened ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well, if they left tracks in an unlivable place at a certain time then there must have been someplace that was livable at that time. Why, if the whole world was being inundated would they have had any livable space to "come out of?" If the Flood was still rising there might have been some remaining unflooded land they were running toward, but that's the only possiblity that occurs to me.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK, but as I recall beach sands now are known to have a source out to sea somewhere, though their original source was the land; and it seems pretty unlikely to me that the limestones and coccoliths could have a source on the land. Mud, silt, yes, and I'll give you sand too, but the others?
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