Did the Flood really happen?

Yes it is possible to misrepresent God's word and be reproved for it. I'm not doing that and you haven't shown that I am, all you've been doing is complaining that I dare to think about how the Flood could have created what we actually see in reality that is not mentioned in the Bible...I'm afraid that you are misusing the Bible and it is you who are likely to be reproved for it.

All that I've said the Flood did was lay down the layers. What you are showing me is layers that were subsequently twisted tectonically. It is true that the Midwest of the US is boring in that the layers are still pretty much flat and straight. When you get to the Rockies of course then you have them pushed up and twisted and raised to great heights, but the Midwest is plains and they are the surface of pretty straight strata that go down very deep according to many core samples taken across that area.But your geological examples are tectonically altered and that's what needs to be explained about them. However, the Cretaceous is not a marine layer, it's a terrestrial layer and often has dinosaurian type fossils IIRC, reptilian anyway. It's not marine however.Nevertheless all I'm saying is that the layers would originally have been laid down straight and flat by the Flood and their being so deformed is the result of the tectonic activity that occurred afterward. I like to focus on the areas where they are most straight and flat to make my arguments but they are deformed in one way or another in most places.

Ringo, THINK! I am not adding TO THE BIBLE, I do not claim that any of my theories are biblical, i'm just working from the scant information in the Bible to understand the geological record. That's all. If I'm "adding to the Bible" then so are all the preachers and theolgicans and apologists I mentioned. Adding to the Bible means adding teachings you take to be on the level of scripture. That's what the Book of Mormon is for instance. And since Islam is based on what they consider to be new revelation from Mohammed, that is what Islam is too. It's also what some Catholic teachings are, such as the immaculate conception of Mary and her status as co-redemptrix with Christ and other papal decrees.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

OK, that'just adds evidence for the Flood even at what I thought were the terrestrial levels where we get land animals. Marine stuff does occur throughout the geological column, doesn't it?

Oh good, more evidence for the Flood, all given the usual ad hoc rationalizations of course.

There is nothing about tectonic movement hat violates the Bible.

Yeah, I know you aren't going to give up this ridiculous idea so I'll have to stop answering it, but the fact is I am not adding any of my ideas about the Flood TO THE BIBLE. Sheesh. I'm using the Bible as the launching pad.And the mountains were not "instant," they rose over the following 4300 years and may still be rising, the same way the continents have been moving over that same period and are still moving. It all started out fairly fast but has gradually slowed to the present tiny part of an inch per year. That would apply to everything the tectonic forces created, the twisting of the strata too. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

In the places where the mountains were pushed up to great heights there weren't any people or even many animals living until their growth had slowed down quite a bit. Fast then slow, gradual, not sudden, not instantaneous.

Account for the fossils in the strata of the mountains? The strata were laid down by the Flood. Tne mountains were pushed up afterward.

Oh lots of critters were living everywhere before the Flood came and buried them all in the strata, before the mountains were pushed up.

I'm coming to realize that that sort of response is an abusive personal attack.

Do you have anything to say that isn't a made-up personal slam? Obviously not.

Not until you spend the timethinking it through as I suggested. What fantasy? It's clearly what has to have happened and it's impossible.. Even if it did happen anything living there would die because of it. I don't remember discussing that in this thread, but yes I certainly deny them. valleys, rivers, trees? I've seen the surface of lots of the stratified sedimentary rocks. Occasionally little holes where some little creature managed to live in the wet sediment for a while before dying, occasionally raindrop impressions, occasionally footprint impressions of some creature running from the next wave that was probably drowned in it, or the next wave, no sign of any landscape. A very odd idea of failures Funny, I'm neither deperate nor flailing. It's very clear that you could not possibly get from the landscape of a "time period" to the huge flat rock that goes by its name. Oh well. it's hard to please an old earther/evolutionist.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Multiple mountain-building events, multiple transgressions and regressions, multiple ice ages, really really slow continental drift etc etc etc. I'm sure there is evidence all these things are based on and I'm also sure the evidence is misinterpreted to fit the Old Earth scenario. Sedimentation is a weird idea, somehow it's expected to come along for no good reason, just one particular sediment, and somehow create huge flat sedimentary rocks from time to time. THAT sort of thing is what makes standard Geology whimsical and unrealistic. "Explain the distribution of rocks and fossils?" What distribution? The rocks are stacked in a column everywhere they are found in their original horizontal condition, they often extend for thousands of square miles and where they don't it's usually because they've been tectonically disrupted. There's nothing "magic" about mountains taking only a few thousand years to be tectonically pushed up, you're just used to hinking in terms of millions and billions of years and that distors everything. More later God willing.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Sure you "explain" things to me that I take issue with and I explain things to you that account for the Flood. So?You guys have no idea how fast is possible for building a mountain or separating the continents. It's all guesswork what it would do since you have no way of testing it, how much heat it would generate. And you don't know what mitigating factors are likely to be involved. Such as for instance the ice age that got generated about the same time. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.