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Faith 
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Message 1355 of 2370 (868889)
12-19-2019 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1350 by RAZD
12-19-2019 10:47 AM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
Sedimentation of just ONE sediment that falls down from mountainsides just doesn't compute. Dirt, including the dust that settles in houses, isn't likely to be made up of a single sediment, and yet the strata are mostly composed of layered single sediments.
Not to mention that this sediment has to form a huge FLAT STRAIGHT NAKED ROCK that covers the entire territory where you claim there was once a body of water or a landscape teeming with living things. It's an ad hoc idea that makes no sense.
You don't bother about the Flood so you can just make up whatever you want that you think accounts for it. But a huge quantity of water accounts for it very nicely.
AND again, it's impossible for there to have been a landscape where there is now a slab of rock in the geological column.
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Faith 
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Message 1356 of 2370 (868890)
12-19-2019 4:47 PM
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12-19-2019 12:08 PM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
Sure, MOTLEY sediments accumulate in MOTLEY ways all the time. They don't make flat sandstone or siltstone or shale rocks that cover thousands of square miles as deep as your chalk cliffs.
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Faith 
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Message 1359 of 2370 (868894)
12-19-2019 5:11 PM
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12-19-2019 5:04 PM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
Oh the things I've been "shown" here and laughed at. Some have made up tall tales about depths of dirt over a single sediment, whose collecting as a single sediment has no sensible explanation in the first place, not to mention its formation in the shape of a huge flat area that covers thousands of square miles. Anyway a great depth of dirt over it makes it lithify into the rock, and somehow the dirt itself doesn't lithify or if it does it becomes the next rock in the column meaning it too has to be of a single sediment and represent a whole time period....
Look there is no way this scenario every happened. It's impossible. And if it did anything living on it would have to die. And only a particular collection of fossils are found in such a rock... Oh come ON, this is ridiculous.
The Flood is the only reasonable explanation.

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Faith 
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Message 1361 of 2370 (868896)
12-19-2019 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1360 by jar
12-19-2019 5:16 PM


Re: silly all one type of rock nonsense.
Sure if you include all the variations you can try to make what I said look stupid but I know all that and it's still true that most of the rocks are single sediments. The Coconino sandstone for instance is sandstone, not dirt, and it extends for huge distances and it's very deep. The limestones are limestones and they are also very deep and extend for huge distances. The mentality here would make a person wrong for not taking every little variation into account. The devil is indeed in the details. Try focusing on the big picture for a change.
And instead of making petty little objections out of petty little facts how about addressing the FACT that it's absolutely impossible for any of the strata to ever have been a time period/landscape.
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Faith 
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Message 1364 of 2370 (868903)
12-19-2019 5:33 PM
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12-19-2019 5:26 PM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
Most are very SLIGHTLY mixed but the homogeneous rocks, especially the sandstones and limestones, are typical and enormous. Besides the examples in the American Southwest think of the Tepui of South America and the Cliffs of Dover.
Ya don't get a FLAT surface from lithification under a huge depth of dirt.
Drat I can't remember what else I was going to say. Oh well.
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Faith 
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Message 1367 of 2370 (868928)
12-20-2019 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1366 by ringo
12-20-2019 11:07 AM


Re: How to use the Bible, in this case about the Flood
But you don't explain. You didn't answer any of my questions.
Where did the energy come from to lift the mountains so fast??
What's your problem? It's the same force that split the continents. Volcanic activity deep beneath them for one thing, the volcanic activity that formed the Atlantic ridge.
Where did that energy go after the mountains had formed?
It's been gradually dissipating for some 4300 years. The movements are continuing but nearly completely expended.
What started that process and then stopped it?
Volcanic eruptions. It hasn't stopped.
Why did it never happen again?
Why should it?
No, you don't know what happened so your calculations can only be guesses.
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Faith 
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Message 1371 of 2370 (868935)
12-20-2019 1:02 PM
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12-20-2019 12:12 PM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
I'm never talking about some kind of PERFECT homogeneity for pete's sake, this is just a silly straw man. The overall homogeneity is however only something the Flood could have done.
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Faith 
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Message 1372 of 2370 (868936)
12-20-2019 1:04 PM
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12-20-2019 12:21 PM


Re: silly all one type of rock nonsense.
And oh wowsy wow, "erosion" again. Righto. The teensy weensy little roughtnesses on the surface of some of the strata that show the effects of run-off between the layers, which is shown in a few cases where there is some rubble between the layers == which in the Grand Canyon I think can be attributed to an earthquake that occurred after the strata were all in place; and the effects of shrinkage as they dried and lithified. Big wowsy deal.
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Faith 
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Message 1375 of 2370 (868939)
12-20-2019 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1374 by RAZD
12-20-2019 1:09 PM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
Deposition over large bodies of water as an alternative to the Flood is really funny since it is actually good evidence FOR the Flood. And think of HOW large these bodies of water would have to be, in some cases covering most of a continent. Such a huge amount of water is evidence for the Flood. Seems to me that a lot of establishment Geology is just the piecemeal assembling of all the parts of the Flood, splitting it up into smaller increments over larger spans of time but really amounting in the end to what the Flood would have done in less time.
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Faith 
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Message 1377 of 2370 (868942)
12-20-2019 1:31 PM
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12-20-2019 1:30 PM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
They were all deposited in water, and the idea of sand dunes getting compressed into a squared-off rock covering thousands of square miles is ridiculous. CLUE: it wasn't part of the impeachment, just made up after the fact as everything has been from the beginning.
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Faith 
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Message 1380 of 2370 (868951)
12-20-2019 3:13 PM
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12-20-2019 1:58 PM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
They weren't sand dunes, they were sand and it was deposited in water, yes I know about the angle of repose, sorry but the sand was deposited in water.

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Faith 
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Message 1381 of 2370 (868952)
12-20-2019 3:14 PM
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12-20-2019 3:10 PM


Re: silly all one type of rock nonsense.
Sure, the "unconformities" reflect the supposed "erosion," Duh.l Your rivers are very rare and all they are is runoff that occurred after the strata were laid down but still wet. Duh. They are channels in rock, they have NO OTHER RESEMBLANCE to surface rivers.
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Faith 
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Message 1388 of 2370 (868966)
12-20-2019 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1387 by Percy
12-20-2019 4:39 PM


Re: How to use the Bible, in this case about the Flood
It says do not add to HIS words, meaning add YOUR OWN words, but the New Testament is HIS words. The only thing on the level of scripture is His words. The Book of Mormon is human and demonic, and so is the Koran.
And you follow what is appropriate to the situation.
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Faith 
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Message 1389 of 2370 (868968)
12-20-2019 5:08 PM
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12-20-2019 3:55 PM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
What keeps it from being just a temporary shoreline during the regression of the Flood?

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Faith 
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Message 1390 of 2370 (868971)
12-20-2019 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1385 by Coragyps
12-20-2019 4:07 PM


Re: silly all one type of rock nonsense.
If the riverbeds are in a layer of the geological column then they are rivers but not rivers like those on the surface of the Earth. Certainly there had to be lots of running water between the layers when first laid down, and such running water would cut channels and carry rubble and behave like rivers, but not be rivers such as we see on the surface. You claim they are proof of former surface but they aren't.
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