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Huntard
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Message 65 of 100 (562514)
05-29-2010 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Flyer75
05-29-2010 1:06 PM


Flyer75 writes:

They pick and chose what they wish to believe out of the bible.


Well.... So do you really. Or are you going to tell me you follow every rule that's in there?

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 69 of 100 (562518)
05-29-2010 1:59 PM
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05-29-2010 1:36 PM


Flyer75 writes:

Can you give me an example Huntard? I assume you mean something to the effect of one killing their children when they disobey?

As you probably know, we as Christians, no longer live under Israelite OT law.

So, yes, I violate those laws all the time, such as a tatoo and the fact that I shave my beard.


Ok, then you don't have to follow the ten commandments either. They're part of the old law as well. Yet strangely, I always get hit up with them when discussing morality with a Christian. Since you don't think you should follow the OT law, cast out the ten commandments as well.

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Huntard
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Message 75 of 100 (562535)
05-30-2010 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Flyer75
05-29-2010 4:10 PM


Flyer75 writes:

One, some of the ten commandments are actual laws that society has inacted itself for us to follow, so yes, I still follow those.

Thou shalt not steal, murder, ect.


Ok, that's two, where are the other eight? Can we chuck them out safely? Thou shalt not bear false witness? Isn't in the law. Thou shalt not have any other gods before me? Not there either. Can we safely just shrug our shoulders and say: "Ah well, they're the old law anyway, they don't matter?

Two, the others not addressed in our actual laws are addressed by Christ himself in his teachings in the NT and are still to be followed by Christians today. Thou shall not covet, commit adultery, ect...

Well, he doesn't mention them all, does he? Also he says this:

quote:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So, according to Jesus, the old law still applies, and whosoever breaks it is in for a big surprise when he/she gets to the pearly gates.

So, what is it, do the old laws still apply, or only the ones that were made into actual laws (which is two out of I don't know how many)? And why, seeing as Jesus clearly said we should uphold them all?

I'm not sure what this proves though....we've gotten off the beaten path quickly here. There is a difference (and theologians of all stripes will agree here) in the Law and historical facts laid out by Paul himself in the NT. I fail to see the correlation between OT Israelite covenant law, completely wiped out by the death and resurrection of Christ, and historical events that are attested to in the NT by Christ and Paul more then once (such as a global flood).

Well, it was just to show that you were also picking and choosing from the bible, everyone is. Now, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, there's stuff in there that's really worth picking up, but nobody can say they live according to gods laws nowadays, they pick and choose what suits their fancy, and run with that, meanwhile telling everybody else how they are sinners because they don't follow "god's laws" (not saying you are like this, there are people like this though, care to join me in stopping them? )

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