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Peg
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Message 1 of 100 (532635)
10-25-2009 7:42 AM


There are often discussions about the Great Flood of the bible and generally science folk claim that there is absolutely no evidence for such a flood.
However I've just finished reading 'Noahs Flood' by William Ryan & Walter Pitman. They are marine biologists who have uncovered evidence for a wide spread flood in the middle east. Now while they do not cite this as proof of noahs flood, nor attempt to. In fact they do the opposite because they conclude that it was this localized flooding which led to the flood 'myths', they do show that around 5600 years ago the Black Sea was inundated with sea water from the mediterranean. They provided evidence of a sudden dispersal of the inhabitants and a relatively short length of 3 centuries of inactivity then a sudden repopulation on previously inhabited sites by a more advanced people.
Their hypothesis has been critisised in that some say that the water flow through the Bosporus repeatedly reversed direction over time depending on the water levels of the Aegean Sea and Black Seas.
This apparently contradicts their assertion that the water broke thru the Bosporus.
Im interested if anyone else has read it and what they think of the evidence that these researchers found regarding the sudden disapearance of populations and the repopulation by new settlers with more advanced technologies.
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Peg
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Message 6 of 100 (532728)
10-26-2009 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by AnswersInGenitals
10-25-2009 3:32 PM


Re: A flood of flood mythes.
answersingenitals writes:
So, why did you label this topic as "Noah's flood"? Why not Gilgemish's flood, or Melvin's flood? Do you read any newspaper or ever watch the tv news?
Ah, that would be because the title of the book is 'Noahs Flood'

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Peg
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Message 8 of 100 (532846)
10-26-2009 9:42 PM
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10-26-2009 7:59 AM


Re: A flood of flood mythes.
JumpedUpChimpanzee writes:
Fair point, but I agree with what Answersingenitals (great name) was alluding to, that it's ridiculous that every time evidence of an ancient flood is uncovered creationists jump on it as proof (or possible proof) of Noah's Flood. Nobody denies that there must have been many large floods throughout history, particularly as sea levels rose at the end of the Ice Age.
this is really my point of contention
its seems that there is a large body of evidence that could most definately be used to identify such a flood, yet what happens with that evidence is that its interpreted every other way
it seems very biased to me

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Peg
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Message 10 of 100 (532862)
10-27-2009 12:09 AM
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10-26-2009 10:16 PM


Re: A flood of flood mythes.
Coyote writes:
Peg, you should never attempt to discuss science. You not only have no talent for it but everything you believe points you in the opposite direction. You have been almost universally wrong in your pronouncements about science. I guess that's because you are following religious belief, the very antithesis of science, eh?
that might be so and is likely why i do read
the book im refering to is not a creationist book, its two scientists who wrote it, so are you telling me that i should also not believe them?
have you read the evidence they found about the lapse in time on archeolgical sites where there was a gap in occupation?
some of the people they name as new occupiers of old sites are:
Denilo Havar
Vinca
Linearbankermik or LBK
Butmir
Hamongians
Halaf
on Page 192 it reads
"All these people appeared in Europe shortly after the flood. All have been described as outsiders: people who migrated from some distance, although this is a point of contention for some archeologists. All seem to have been more culturally advanced then those whom they replaced. Perhaps not so conincidentally, at that time in the middle of the sixth milleninium BC, Europe began a rapid ascent into what Childe and Gimbutas have called a "Golden Age", a transition that in Gimbutas words "has led many scholars in the past to assume that tides of colonization must have burst through the Balkans. they would have come, it was thought, either from Anatolia or from the eastern Mediterranean."

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Peg
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Message 13 of 100 (532873)
10-27-2009 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Coyote
10-27-2009 12:37 AM


Re: A flood of flood mythes.
Coyote writes:
Fact: Noah's flood is placed by biblical scholars about 4,350 years ago (I can provide a lot of citations if you dispute this).
thats close enough, bible chronology gives the date of Noahs flood as 2370BCE which is 4379 years ago
Coyote writes:
Fact: Archaeological research in North America, including maybe 100 sites I have tested, shows no evidence of a global scale flood about 4,350 years ago.
In order to find evidence of a 'global' flood, surely we'd need every area of earth tested. I wouldnt expect to find a global flood by looking at just north americal. However, there is evidence of great flooding in that region. Im talking about the Hudson Bay and the Great lakes area. Research's have found that it was swept by a mighty current many years ago but has been still ever since. Here is an Article
I know the dating of this is 8,000 odd years ago, but putting the date aside, a flood of epic preportions was there in north america.
What is interesting is that at the same time, a piece of Australia became cut off from the mainland...we call it Tasmania.
That couuld be coincidence, or it could be evidence that the flood was more wide spread then is believed.
Coyote writes:
Fact: What the vast majority of sites in North America show, if they contain deposits from that time period, is continuity. Continuity of culture, stratigraphy, fauna and flora, human genome, etc. No gap caused by an immense flood.
im sure you know much more about this then I do so i am interested in your view. Do you have any timelines for the people of Nth america?
What do you say about the 'clovis culture' regarding their replacement by several other cultures from the time of the Younger Dryas?
Do you agree that there is an observed change in the archaeological record including numerous extinctions at this time? and if not, why not?

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