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Author Topic:   A fatal logical flaw in creationism?
gman
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Message 8 of 214 (96026)
03-30-2004 3:31 PM


This is my understanding of the concept of "God".
Where would a mass of infinite space end?
If I were to ask this question it would show that don't understand the concept of infinite space. In the same way God doesn't need a maker because he isn't "a thing".
If we assume that time actually exists as we perceive it to exist, (A linear series of events moving from past to future) then time must have a starting point. Otherwise we would never have reached the present moment because an infinite number of events would have already happened in the past...and infinity can't end. God does not exist within time as experiencing a series of events but simply "is". Therefore he would not need a starting point.

gman
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Message 11 of 214 (99517)
04-12-2004 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by HoonWoo
04-01-2004 1:09 PM


By "bad designs" I will assume you are referring to the existence of death and pain. This is only a problem from a non-eternal worldview. Below is one worldview in which this is not a problem.
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1. God is eternal
2. Evil is temporary
3. Without wounds there can be no healing
Without wrong doing there can be no forgiveness
Without death there can be no resurrection
Without sacrifice there can be no love
God in himself is loving and merciful and all that good stuff.. but in order to play out these attributes so that WE can know him - evil must temporarily exist.
Imperfection is an infinitesimally small blip in eternity that God endures only because it is essential to reveal Gods glory, which lasts forever.
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The above stated worldview is one based off of an interpretation of Romans 9:22-23 in the bible.
"Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make
his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of
wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on
the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory."

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gman
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Message 14 of 214 (99699)
04-13-2004 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by HoonWoo
04-13-2004 4:51 AM


First one would need a standard by which to define perfect. Assuming the existance of God, God would be the standard, so only God, or an exact replica of God would be "perfect".

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gman
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Message 15 of 214 (99700)
04-13-2004 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by HoonWoo
04-13-2004 4:51 AM


By your definitions, what would make one thing bad and another thing perfect?
I think first one must determine what the meaning of life is, and then measure how well life is achieving that goal in order to measure any level of good or bad.

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