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Topic: A fatal logical flaw in creationism?
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HoonWoo
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Message 1 of 214 (92213)
03-13-2004 9:14 AM
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If we are too complex and thus must be created by God, then who created God? A super God? Or is it just us? A fatal logical flaw? We created God, not the other way round! We created many Gods, but One God tries to rule us all! Hmmmmm.... this is begining to sound like poetry from LOTR... It wasn't intentional. I'm not into poetry but let me try. God created us, But who created God? A super God? Or is it just us? It's us! it's us! We created God, Not the other way round! We created many Gods, But one God tries to rule us all! Hehehe... Any suggestion on how to improve on it?
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HoonWoo
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Message 6 of 214 (94633)
03-25-2004 3:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 5 by RAZD 03-24-2004 7:16 PM
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Re: is this ID?
Doesn't ID implies a creator?
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HoonWoo
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Message 10 of 214 (96635)
04-01-2004 1:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Buzsaw 03-30-2004 7:19 PM
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All the complexities and wonder... You forgot to mention diversity. The diversity that we see which include bad Designs suggests there's no ID. Random variations which gives rise to diversty is common in the Universe and implies no creator. We created many Gods!
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HoonWoo
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Message 13 of 214 (99610)
04-13-2004 4:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 12 by RAZD 04-12-2004 10:32 PM
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Octopus is a brilliant design, in some ways superior to human. But is there a perfect design - a perfect complex organism? ID 'scientists' should look at the big picture - not small parts here and there. My challenge to ID: find me a perfectly designed complex organism!
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HoonWoo
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Re: What is ID?
ID is a very lousy solution - it's worst then saying we do not know! If we all accept ID, we are more likely to miss out on better solutions(or explanations) and hence impede progress! Everytime we are stumped, just say "ID" or "god did it" and problem solved!
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HoonWoo
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Message 22 of 214 (99991)
04-14-2004 2:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by Denesha 04-14-2004 11:21 AM
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Re: perfect design
I thought sharks have poor eyesight?
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HoonWoo
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Message 24 of 214 (100032)
04-14-2004 6:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 23 by Denesha 04-14-2004 3:16 PM
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Re: perfect design
What's the point of having eyes then? A perfect eyesight would have help. At least it doesn't have to munch on human mistakening us as seals!
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HoonWoo
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Message 33 of 214 (101331)
04-20-2004 6:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 32 by desdamona 04-20-2004 4:40 PM
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Re: There had to be a first!
Why couldn't you consider that Gods are human creations in the first place? We created many gods But one god tries to rule us all!
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HoonWoo
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Message 45 of 214 (101570)
04-21-2004 1:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 44 by desdamona 04-21-2004 12:48 AM
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Re: There had to be a first!
Is there any good reason to believe there is a first (or God) apart from the fact that you NEED a God?
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HoonWoo
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Message 52 of 214 (101666)
04-21-2004 7:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 46 by desdamona 04-21-2004 5:45 PM
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Re: There had to be a first!
That men created Gods (for comfort) is very real to me and to many scientists and people. The Hindus believes their Gods is as real as your One God. So how do you resolve this? When I ask for one good reason, I meant logical reason. But you only give me emotional reasons.
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HoonWoo
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Message 117 of 214 (101842)
04-22-2004 12:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 112 by desdamona 04-22-2004 4:38 AM
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Re: There had to be a first!
Desdamona writes: God didn't need a creator,although with our human minds that is hard for us to understand. So you admit it is illogical, therefore it requires faith to believe it. Am I right? More logical I think is that we created Gods to satisfy our very human needs. [This message has been edited by HoonWoo, 04-22-2004]
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HoonWoo
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Re: There had to be a first!
Des writes: Just as some of you don't care that there are gaps in the theory of evolution,I don't care how the world tries to disect the scriptures I'm getting tired of this. If only you think more than you write... Contradictions are important coz they can shoot down theories and laws. That's why I do not accept your religion. To ignore contradictions is to be dishonest with yourself. Gaps on the other hand may be challenging but are not contradictions and hence do not disprove any theories or laws. There are so much evidence for TOE that it takes faith not to believe in it. But belief are not absolute thruth. Those who seek absolute thruth are furthest from the thruth. So please, seek practical and logical thruth!
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