A fatal logical flaw in creationism?

Yes,but do you understand that there had to be a first?
God is too great to try to lower to our own understanding.
To you perhaps being proud and puffed up is a good trait,but,
it's a sign of ignorance to me.

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Desdamona

I can't believe it because it would be a great burden on the backs
of all humans.We need someone to care for us and look after us.
We need to know that someone is in complete control.
How can man save man from man?

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Desdamona

God is infinite and he doesn't need time.
People cannot be omni-present.We cannot ever know all things.
It takes faith to be a christian and it takes faith to be an
evolutionist.They both require faith.

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Desdamona

Hey,hey,hey,hey, I am not directing this at you personally.
It's just that to me,in my honest opinion,God is a plus,and to be loved so much no matter who we are or what we have ever done is a great relief.
People are sometimes very unforgiving,not all,but some,and it helps me sleep better at night knowing I don't have to be perfect or live up to some one else's idea of perfection.
I've been in alot of bad..... I mean bad relationships where people just wanted to own me and boss me around,and shove their ideas of right and wrong down my throat or they would beat up on me if I didn't accept them and so forth.
The threat of violence always hung over my head,so I am glad that there is a God,and that there will be justice,but that is what works for my world,I didn't mean to imply that it works for all people or everyone,I just wanted to know if anyone considered the possibility,that there had to be a first,or that there was a first?

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Desdamona

yes I do,but I forgot what it was.
Do you mean that creationists have it all wrong?

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Desdamona

Does this give your life more joy and purpose?
It's so clear that people can view the world so differently,and
yet still be very happy with their own personal view of it.
I believe there is a God,you may not,but that doesn't mean one person
is less valuable than the other to me.
I believe personally there had to be a first,and you do not,but I am
not threatened by you view.

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Desdamona

Do you believe the bible has any credibility?
I do,and The book of Genesis tells us that in the beginning,GOD.
This is the greatest reason I believe there had to be a first,and my
experiences.
God made everything complete,and perfect,but man listened to satan,
and things have been distorted ever since.
I realize that you do not accept this as the truth,but can you explain why you believe that God may not exist?
I believe that every individual is not exactly the same even in a certain group with those of a simular view.
Christians don't see everything exactly the same.
Is there a reason why you really don't believe there had to be a first besides the whole evolutionary idea?

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Desdamona

well,now that you asked,yes there is.He is real in my life and in the lives of many other people.Creation testifies that God lives,and no one can invent nature.Some try but they fail.Even today we know that clones still have to be created from the original,there is no way to invent life.In other words,no one can make a plant or a seed apart from a plant.Hybrids came into being with other plants that were already here.No one can invent life without life that was already here first.Life cannot just be invented on it's own by mens hands.

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Desdamona

Then you see something most of us do not see.
Dolly the sheep still came from sheep.No shock there,so what do you mean by evolve? Evolve means to me that life happened on it's own by chance not on purpose.Evolving is not something that just happens on purpose,thats where the idea comes from remember?

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Desdamona

Then you believe that life was already here when things,creatures,ect... began to evolve,yet there is no evidence that anything ever evolved.There should be alot of evidence if it had,but there is none.The Piltdown man and many others were proven hoaxes,and big jokes,and they were invented by evolutionists.If life was already here when things began to evolve,where did it come from because we know tham man cannot invent life in a lab or any place else.Man can reproduce,but he cannot invent reproduction.satan has pulled one of the biggest jokes ever by trying to convince the world that he doesn't exist,yet anyone who has ever heard a demon scream or yell knows that satan does exist though one day he will come to his ruin.I believe God uses satan to weed out the evil from the world.satan gets his power from God,and God is allowing evil to destroy it'sself. Yes,there had to be a first,and God is the first.God is the Alpha and The Omega.Apart from God all we have left would be man trying to make himself God,and man trusting in man,but man makes many mistakes.we are all full of error,even though we don't want to be.We even hurt those we love most because of it.There is a first because man cannot prevent the out come of his/her own life.We try to make it where we can live longer yet it really isn't going to work.We fool ourselves if we believe there is not a first who is wiser and better than we are,and who wants us and cares for us.It is no secret that the last days would be full of deception,and people turning to myths and fables instead of sound truth.Granted,with religions groups every where and occults,and all sorts of different ways to believe it's no wonder there is so much confusion,and people have serious doubts,but creation tells us there is a God,there is a first,if we really do want to know.Our minds are powerful,and we want knowledge,and we don't want to be fooled,hurt,ect..but thats what will happen if we turn away from believing there is a first who loves us and put us here on purpose.

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Desdamona

O.K.,I see that this could be emotional to you.
I believe that the idea of evolution is a hoax because the public has been brainwashed into believing that it is supported by science.In most of the public school boards and courts considering creation verses evolution,the issue has always been presented as "Religion verses Science.They argue that creation should not be taught in public schools because it is religion,but that evolution can be taught because it is science.
The truth is,the idea of evolution is not scientific.It is important that we know what science is and are able to distinguish between science and what is falsely called science.Evolution too,is a religion.A typical definition of science is that it is a branch of study concerned with observation and classification of facts,especially with the establishment of verifiable general laws,cheifly by
induction and hypothesis. Webster defines science as "Systematized Knowledge derived from observation,study,and experimentation..." You can look at various dictionaries and get slightly different definitions,but the key words will be "Observation",Experimentation",Verifiable",testable",and repeatable". In other words,if it cannot be observed,repeated,verified,or subject to experimentation,then it is not scientific.Evolution has never been observed,repeated,verified,nor has an experiment ever been performed regarding it,thus evolution is not scientific.
God must exist.People have seen Jesus,they have observed his body on the cross,in the tomb and raised from the dead.Jesus was here because there are so many witnesses that saw him.Miracles did,do and still happen,I have witnessed miracles,Archaeology confirms that people in the bible did live and the towns and places did exists,and some still do.God speaks to people who seek him with their heart,and he makes himself real to them.The Holy Ghost testifies that the bible is true,many witnesses today know this,so it boils down to who are you going to believe,Religion,God,or Man.I'll take God every time,because he's the much better choice,he was and is first and he knows how better to care for me than I ever could.
The idea or religion of Evolution contradicts known scientific laws such as the laws of biogenesis,the law of kinds and the law of thermodynamics.These laws are indisputable.From this we know that it is a faith,a religion,and not a science.It helps to prove God is first,and that he still is even if the world can't handle it.

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Desdamona

First of all,the bible does not claim the world is flat.Isaiah 40:22 says the world is a circle.
So then,you and I both claim science,but evolution cannot!
Evolution is a religious system like any other,except it doesn't believe that God is God,it thinks man is god.
You need to be able to prove what you say in court because that is so ficticious and fake anyone who has ever studied the laws of science knows it.I would like to see this case brought to court one day.The court room and law still uses the bible to this very day.
America was founded on the christian morals of the bible and it's un-American to say it's not.If the world begins to accept the evolution religion as truth,America will lose her freedom and everything it stands for,because to claim the bible is not evidence of God,or that it's mans word not God's word shows that what your religion is all about is no God,except man.Many evolutionists believe they have morals,and that is great if they do,but to say there is no God when you are not omni-present makes someone look very silly to me.The bible is proving to be right all the time.In the last days people will turn away from the truth and would rather believe fables and stories they want to hear,because they don't have a love for the truth.The truth is too painful to look at for some individuals.
The truth is creation and evolution are what many would call religious views.The issue is not religion verses science,but religion verses religion.Any concept regarding origins is not scientific,in that origins were not and cannot be observed,repeated,or verified.Scientists can only deal with present evidence.The choice of which idea to accept becomes a matter of faith.To accept something without evidence requires faith.The Bible states,"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen....by faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." (Hebrews 11:1-3)
The christian believes that God created the universe,life and man,while the evolutionist believes that the universe,life and man somehow evolved without any supernatural direction;in essence:"Evolution cannot be proved or tested,it can only be believed."It is not very hard to believe in creation with all it's beauty and complexity of earth and universe,yet to believe that dead matter could create life and have absolutely no evidence requires faith of another order.Some even believe that a cosmic egg of energy exploded to form chemical elements,stars,galaxies,and finally people.Some even have faith to believe that life was planted here on earth by those unknown from outer space.Why they are still allowed to run free,I do not know?

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Desdamona

I am learning as I said that I would,and I am starting with Science because I like Science.
The law of Biogenesis states that life can only come from other life.Life does not spring from non-living things.This is what we observe and what the bible teaches in Genesis 1,where various forms of life were created to reproduce.Perhaps the most difficult problem that evolutionists face is the question of how self replicating life systems could form from non-living,non-replicating systems. Some evolutionists propose that in the beginning small inorganic molecules such as water,methane,ammonia,and somehow by chance chemical reactions,formed amino acids.Theses amino acids supposedly combined to form proteins and then,eventually living cells.The idea that living creatures can be produced naturally,from non living substances,is called spontaneous generation.Never has then been observed,repeated or verified,and thus,this idea is not scientific.

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Desdamona

so then,with your reasoning,a ball is flat too? It's round,but not flat unless air is removed completely from it.
No wonder some people cannot understand scripture,and I'm accused of taking it literal? Wow,what a big jump over!
God had to be first,and he also is alive,because only an inteligent life force with a brain could create life.God is the first brain and he made the brain.A brain does not and cannot evolve.

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Desdamona

Some of us christians don't stray from the holy bible ,and we sure don't attempt to add to God's word.You are proof that some evolutionists do pray,and not all religions actually pray,but thats beside the point,evolution is a religion that cannot prove itself by science.It cannot be observed,it has no tests made for it,it cannot be verified,and it's not repeatable.
God made the holy bible with every thing we needed to know.
You cannot pervert God's word to suit your faith in evolution.How much longer will it be until you are a full fledged evolutionist?they got you this far.Darwin must be forgiven,however,since he was limited by the study of paradigms of his day.No body then could have ever guessed the incredible complexity and information that resides in a living cell;something that was regarded as a blob of protoplasm.

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Desdamona