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Author | Topic: Jihadists must die, --- but our real enemies are the Qur’an and Bible. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
So you define killing jihadists as "not evil"? Of course it's easy to call yourself "good" by definition - but the jihadists do that too. You really don't seem to have thought out your position beyond the initial sound bite.
Good people tend not to do evil though.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Yes.
Are you suggesting that the troops presently fighting and killing jihadists are doing evil? Greatest I am writes:
ISIS does whatever it likes anyway. The war is already lost. Should we move them out of the area and let ISIS just do whatever it likes? The battle SHOULD have been for hearts and minds, not an everlasting body count.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mikechell writes:
They're doing it wrong.
Our people, and other Country's people are trying to do what they must to prevent evil from spreading. mikechell writes:
Another conspiracy theory.
If we were allowed to complete the mission, ISIS would already be stopped. mikechell writes:
We need to win the hearts and minds of the NON-RADICALS.
The war is only perceived lost because we are held back by bleeding hearts who think you can "win the hearts" of Radical Islamist. mikechell writes:
And another domino theory?
So, the only way to prevent them from turning the world into their "caliphate", is to stop them where they are and destroy them before they destroy us.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
You can't just erase everything on their hearts and minds and start over. You have to compete with what's there now. You have to offer them something better but frankly, you're offering them garbage.
That means education of those minds to a better way of thinking and that means ending the garbage that they are learning today from their holy books.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Telling Muslims to just change the way they interpret the Qur'an is garbage.
I offered nothing in the way of changes but do suggest they get changes from within their own religion so I don't know what you mean by my offering garbage.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Have you? How many Muslims have you converted from radical to moderate with your "just say no" philosophy?
Are you a Muslim? If not, have you asked any how they would feel about it?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Isn't conversion what you're advocating?
I have no knowledge of any conversions. I did not claim any.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
So you want jihadists to magically convert to peace-loving mainstream Muslims. That's about as practical as asking elephants to convert to butterflies.
The jihadists just have to start walking the peace loving talk of the mainstream Muslims.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
You don't seem to be paying attention. I've said that YOUR idea of killing them off won't work and YOUR idea of asking them to magically switch sides won't work - in other words, YOU have no workable solution.
You seem convinced that the only way is to kill them off.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
On the contrary, we know that killing jihadists doesn't discourage jihadists because they love martyrdom - they want to die for their cause. And we also know that they aren't going to miraculously become good little girls and boys on your say-so because they would have already done that. You have no solution.
Assumption not based on facts or thought.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
But you're agreeing with those left-leaning peers, aren't you? You're the one who started the topic, not those left-leaning peers.
Not my say so but the say so of their more left leaning peers.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
You don't get to choose the "better alternative". Your OP asks, "Should we urge our governments to force changes to the violent misogynistic Qur’an and Bible to make those documents more civilized?" The question is stupid because our governments don't have the ability to "force" anything on either Christians or Muslims. I do not agree with those on the left but see them as a better alternative than the right wing fundamentals. Edited by ringo, : Added word 'anything".
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
No, I think we live in states where the government doesn't/can't legislate religion.
So you think we live in religion run states instead of government run states. I do not.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Huh? Hogwash.Hint. Taxing power. Try to make sense. Use sentences.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
The government can not tax radicals into moderates.
What I meant that Government can and does control the churches tax exempt status and can withdraw it as required. Greatest I am writes:
But it can't force them to change their doctrine.
Let me add that Governments already force churches to comply with some secular laws. Greatest I am writes:
The reason is freedom of religion. Everybody is entitled to homophobic and/or misogynistic beliefs. The government can only forbid them from acting on their beliefs.
I see no reason to not tie their immoral homophobia and misogyny to their tax exemption.
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