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No Faith, that is not what you were doing. What you actually did was to totally misrepresent what has been explained to you over and over and over again. You were showing either total dishonesty or the inability to comprehend even the most basic facts.Let me repeat since you seem to have missed what was said:

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No one but you has ever said anything that stupid.

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Let me try yet again to keep it simple enough that you can understand.

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Nothing unusual happens. Things continue just as they are today and have been happening on Earth for Billions of years.

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Go back and slowly read Message 19. All of your questions are answered there and the process fully explained.

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Look at the maps linked in Message 136 and Message 378 and Message 380.

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Change has been continuous since the Earth took form.

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As the land changed critters moved.

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With change critters moved but the life span of even the longest lived critter is still very short. Life never started all over again and your fantasy as expressed above is simply silly.

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The time periods are a human construct we created to aid in understanding but for the critters living during those times it was of no more significance than pointing out that you are living during the Holocene period.

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The two significant factors though are:

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that the geological processes have remained constant over the whole life of the Earth.

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that the biological critters have not remained constant over time and the remains are grouped by common characteristics in an ordered fashion.

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Your claim of "Higher on the evolutionary ladder according to y'all, but if the whole thing is gone, kaput, extinct, fossilized in the rock, there's no life left to evolve." is more nonsense and not anything anyone has told you.

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There is no such thing as higher evolved. Let me repeat; there is no such thing as higher evolved.

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There is change. Not higher change and lower change but just change. And the sole judge of how effective the change was is simply whether or not the species lives long enough to reproduce.

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AbE:Also, you have not yet given any evidence. Period.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

And even from pre-nail civilizations the positions of holes in the ground where poles once were positioned as well as things like remains of fire pits and middens can provide lots of evidence.

Think.What buries a landscape is another landscape Faith.We seldom find living critters (we do but only a limited spectrum of living critters) inside buried landscapes.The process (and this was the enlightenment, the light bulb moment that showed the Biblical accounts and young earth we simply wrong and they died) is that the processes go on continuously, that critters evolve continuously and that there is no other possible way to explain what is seen unless all this happened over long, long periods of time.The fossils we find were at the time just critters that lived on the surface where they are found while it was just like the surface today.They died.They were not fossils when they died but rather just leaves and insects and dead dinosaurs.They got buried in soil, in sediment, in ash, in mud, in a bog, in forest litter, in a sand storm, in a stream, in a watering hole ... but buried.Time passes.Other stuff piled on top of the still soil with the sample buried in it.Eventually enough material is above the sample and its surrounding sediment to turn both the sample and the sediment from soil & dirt to rock.More time passes.The now lithified rock gets pushed up and as it gets pushed up the not yet lithified material that had gathered over it is weathered and eroded away.Eventually it is once again on the surface but now as lithified rock.Weathering and erosion now go more slowly than before the material was lithified.One day a boy living on the farm near the outcrop of rock sees what looks like bones and so runs and tells his dad.They call the police who come and look at the site and decide its not a murder in their jurisdiction and so call the museum three towns over.The museum sends some one out who declares "That's a fossil!"But for the whole time involved in this scenario there is still a landscape at the surface, still critters living and evolving at the surface.Edited by jar, : appalin grammur

And guess what? That is exactly what happens most of the time Faith. That is one reason fossils are so rare. Except for the fact that the flood is refuted by all of the available evidence and cannot explain a single feature found in reality that might even be relevant.But the flood never happened and even if it did it cannot explain what is actually in existence.

Except once again reality shows us exactly what happens when there is an unpopulated landscape and that is life from populated landscapes migrates in. Whether it is the wasteland created after a massive flood or volcanic eruption's lava or ash flow or new land rising out of the sea following uplifting or sea level falls or land exposed by a retreating glacier or the bed of a river that has changed its channel we see life moving in very quickly. There are seeds and spores and fungus amungus that are carried in by the winds, animals that move in to avoid being eaten or to find new nesting areas or to eat the plants and fungus amungus that rapidly grows in the unpopulated areas.

remember Faith is not discussing or debating but rather proselytizing.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

The closest I have been able to get from her about what was different is still only dogma and apologetics. from Message 65 in Describing what the Biblical Flood would be like..Actual evidence is not to be believed if it conflicts with her interpretation of the Bible stories.Edited by jar, : hit wrong key

I think that Faith uses argument du jour, anything that might suit her purposes at the moment. It is proselytizing and not discussion or debate.Her interpretation of what the Bible says is TRUTH and if you disagree with her TRUTH you are wrong.You cannot believe what reality says, what science says, what logic says, what the evidence says if it disagrees with her TRUTH.

I think this is another important point that I did not address and that is the idea that if the conventional theory is wrong it makes her theory right.That is wrong on so many levels but the idea that if The Theory of Evolution could be disproved then Special Creation or Intelligent Design would be the only other option and if conventional geology could be shown to be wrong then the Flood and Young Earth would be the only other option is quite common and pervasive.It's the old "If you are wrong then I must be right" position and it is promoted by almost all of the so called "Creation Science" organizations.None of them really try to provide support for their position but rather only try to discredit the conventional theories.Unfortunately the reality is that if the Theory of Evolution were proven to be wrong it would simply have to be modified to account for the new data and evidence. In fact that is exactly what has happened in geology and physics and math and chemistry and archeology and paleontology and engineering and medicine and every single line of inquiry, endeavor or technology.Showing the conventional theory is wrong does not add support for any other theories.The only way Faith or anyone else can get the Biblical Flood or Young Earth of Special Creation accepted is to actually provide the support, the evidence, the model, mechanism, method, process, procedure or thingamabob that makes Special Creation, Young Earth or Intelligent Design worth consideration.

That you see no other alternative than the Flood is very likely true. But it is also silly, nonsense and wrong. The Biblical Floods have been totally refuted for hundreds of years and so cannot be an alternative unless you or someone else can provide support for them.But all of the evidence has been that as new information becomes available science modifies theories to explain the new evidence and does not fall back on old myths that have been proven false and wrong.

Once again, reality simply shows Faith is wrong.Neither you nor anyone else has even been able to provide a model or mechanism or process or procedure or thingamabob for a flood to sort the existing biological and geological samples in the order in which they are found in reality.The Biblical flood stories are only myth and fantasy.The topic is "The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock" and you have still never supported even that assertion and can offer only dogma.

Oh, we all understand the argument you are trying to make and the argument you are trying to make is simply stupid. Which simply shows you are as ignorant about logic as you are about everything else.Disproving one theory does not add support for some other theory. For the Biblical Flood myths to be taken seriously there needs to be affirmative support that a world-wide flood happened during the time modern humans existed on the Earth and that there is some way such a flood could sort both the geology and biology in the order found in reality.

If I ever make some I'll let you know.

Faith, try actually reading what you quote. Can you not see the part where it said "Though it could laugh off all comers, even Dreadnoughtus was not immune to the power of a river in full flood."Faith there is lots of evidence of regional and local floods, so actually more powerful than the ones described in the Biblical flood myths but there is NO evidence of a world-wide flood at anytime humans might have been alive.Note too that no human fossils have EVER been found in the layer where dinosaur fossils are found.That damn ordering and evidence that there really were landscapes and not just stacks of rocks yet again.

Yet you offered as usual absolutely no support or reasoning for your position.In addition there is still the fact that there is lots of evidence of regional and local floods, some actually more powerful than the ones described in the Biblical flood myths but there is NO evidence of a world-wide flood at anytime humans might have been alive.Note too that no human fossils have EVER been found in the layer where dinosaur fossils are found.That damn ordering and evidence that there really were landscapes and not just stacks of rocks yet again.The find is yet again more evidence that there were landscapes and not just slabs of rock.Have you finally realized that your topic really is unsupportable, false, futile, absurd and jess plain silly?