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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
JonF
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Message 515 of 2370 (858623)
07-22-2019 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 513 by Faith
07-22-2019 12:55 PM


Re: honest exploration of physical reality.
there is no rational way to explain the different sediments in the geological column, with their nice straight level boundaries, sometimes with knife-edge tight contact ****, climbing one after another identical in FORM, miles deep, so very neatly stacked. There just isn't
Derogatory comment with no analysis or discussion noted.
We have an explanation. What is wrong with it? Don't just say it's wrong list what it is and why it is impossible.

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JonF
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Message 520 of 2370 (858630)
07-22-2019 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 517 by Faith
07-22-2019 1:11 PM


Re: Maybe just a few explanations of how either Biblical Flood did ...
Righto, I'm sure all your cogitations are quite reasonable, but the Flood is the only way they COULD have been transported. They didn't grow there.
I.e. "I have no idea how but I can't be wrong." Physical impossibility is never a problem for you.
That's also some pretty tight circular reasoning there. The fludde did it because the fludde did it. That isn't going to convince anyone or persuade anyone to consider your hallucinations any further.

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JonF
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Message 522 of 2370 (858632)
07-22-2019 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 518 by Faith
07-22-2019 1:12 PM


Re: honest exploration of physical reality.
Oh, it's descriptive, but there's no analysis or argument or even a lame attempt to connect the claim to reality. IOW descriptive but meaningless.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 524 of 2370 (858634)
07-22-2019 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 523 by Faith
07-22-2019 1:37 PM


Re: The strata on the British Isles
Jar's explanation of how the strata could have formed over long periods of time is simply untenable, an example of the "contortions" I said had to be engaged in to make the attempt. Any given sequence of strata is nice and straight and flat and of an identifiable sedimentary content.
Except, of course, for those that aren't straight and flat.
Derogatory comment with no analysis or argument noted.
You are incapable of anything more.

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JonF
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Message 527 of 2370 (858637)
07-22-2019 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 525 by Faith
07-22-2019 1:42 PM


Re: The strata on the British Isles
Yeah, and you have no idea how but you can't be wrong.

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JonF
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Message 528 of 2370 (858638)
07-22-2019 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 526 by Faith
07-22-2019 1:52 PM


Re: Maybe just a few explanations of how either Biblical Flood did ...
Derogatory comment with no analysis or argumentation noted.
The fludde musta dunnit because Faith is infallible.

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JonF
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Message 532 of 2370 (858646)
07-22-2019 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 529 by Faith
07-22-2019 2:00 PM


Re: The strata on the British Isles
No, the "how" can't wait. Logic alonedoesn't establish any connection to reality. If something is physically impossible all the logic in the world cannot save the hypothesis.
Your logic is "The fludde must have happened therefore it produced everything we see." Well, that's logic;if the premise is true the conclusion is true. But also physically impossible according to everything we know about the world. I mean everything . You're literally telling us to abandon everything we've learned in physics and chemistry and geology and paleontology and...
Logic with no "how" isn't going to cut the mustard. You should be trying to establish the truth of your premise. Your fanatically held belief is impressive but unconvincing. If you continue to insist that your logic represents reality without any attempt to establish the truth of your premise you're wasting your and everyone's time.

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JonF
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Message 533 of 2370 (858647)
07-22-2019 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 530 by Faith
07-22-2019 2:02 PM


Re: Corals
"Can't have grown there" is derogatory with no analysis or discussion. No, you haven't addressed that issue any differently before.

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JonF
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Message 545 of 2370 (858675)
07-22-2019 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 534 by Faith
07-22-2019 2:32 PM


Re: Corals
Coral is attached to the sea floor. Are corals animals or plants? "Corals are sessile, which means that they permanently attach themselves to the ocean floor, essentially "taking root" like most plants do. We certainly cannot recognize them by their faces or other distinct body parts, as we can most other animals."
"literally uprooted" by what process? What forces lifted them? How were those forces generated? Why didn't the reefs break?
Derogatory Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster: "expressive of a low opinion : DISPARAGING"
The fact that you can make up a story but can't explain how the events happened is evidence that story is true? Wowsers.

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JonF
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Message 555 of 2370 (858717)
07-23-2019 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 545 by JonF
07-22-2019 4:03 PM


Re: Corals
Nothing to say, Faith?
Coral is attached to the sea floor. Are corals animals or plants? "Corals are sessile, which means that they permanently attach themselves to the ocean floor, essentially "taking root" like most plants do. We certainly cannot recognize them by their faces or other distinct body parts, as we can most other animals."
"literally uprooted" by what process? What forces lifted them? How were those forces generated? Why didn't the reefs break?
Derogatory Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster: "expressive of a low opinion : DISPARAGING"
The fact that you can make up a story but can't explain how the events happened is evidence that story is true? Wowsers.
{I really want to see your defense of that last item. Pretty please?)

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JonF
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Message 560 of 2370 (858726)
07-23-2019 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 558 by Faith
07-23-2019 11:14 AM


Re: Corals
You wrote "IIRC, they have no attached roots that they normally use to attach to the sea floor". So you've now admitted they are attached.
You left out responding to the meat of my message. Obviously you have no response. And no evidence.
literally uprooted" by what process? What forces lifted them? How were those forces generated? Why didn't the reefs break?
The fact that you can make up a story but can't explain how the events happened is evidence that story is true? Wowsers.

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JonF
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Message 565 of 2370 (858734)
07-23-2019 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 562 by Faith
07-23-2019 12:05 PM


Re: Corals
IOW "I have no idea how but I cannot be wrong." You might as well just reply that to all the messages.
IIRC, they have no attached roots that they normally use to attach to the sea floor, they were literally uprooted and transported, with disattached roots. That's the evidence they were transported and didn't grow in the places where their fossilized remains are found.
So the fact that you can make up a story with no consideration of physical possibility or how the events occurred is evidence for your point of view? Need a hint?

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JonF
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Message 579 of 2370 (858749)
07-23-2019 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
07-23-2019 12:26 PM


Re: Corals
Water was water. Physics was physics. Gravity was gravity. We have a very good idea what those limitations entail. There's no way large and extremely brittle objects attached to the sea floor were lifted whole, transported whole, and set down ehole.
IIRC, they have no attached roots that they normally use to attach to the sea floor, they were literally uprooted and transported, with disattached roots. That's the evidence they were transported and didn't grow in the places where their fossilized remains are found.
So the fact that you can make up a story with no consideration of physical possibility or how the events occurred is evidence for your point of view?
Since you obviously can't figure it out:
YOUR UNSUPPORTED AND PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE STORIES ARE NOT EVIDENCE.

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JonF
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Message 591 of 2370 (858761)
07-23-2019 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 583 by Faith
07-23-2019 12:54 PM


Re: Corals
Not in its path? What about coral reefs surrounding inhabited islands?

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JonF
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Message 593 of 2370 (858763)
07-23-2019 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 589 by ringo
07-23-2019 1:00 PM


Re: Corals
Guess it must have jumped over this reef to get at the island:

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