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Author Topic:   How do creationists explain stars?
kuresu
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Message 77 of 297 (321227)
06-13-2006 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Rob
06-13-2006 10:46 AM


Re: RE Age of Stars
1st law of thermodynamics... energy can never be create nor destroyed
I'm not a physicists, so any out there up to date please correct this, but I'm fairly certain what I'm about to say is right.
Ever hear of E = mc^2? With that simple formula, you can create energy from mass, or mass from energy. That whole first law only applies to limited systems (as in size, not whether they are closed or open). Sadly enough, I don't remember where I heard (or read) this exactly, but I have a vague feeling it was at livescience or from a science jounral, like Scientific American.
Point is, energy can be made, not just converted to other forms of energy.

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kuresu
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Message 81 of 297 (321245)
06-13-2006 8:06 PM
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06-13-2006 7:32 PM


Re: RE Age of Stars
good point. I'll have to see where that article was, so I can better explain it (or so you can better correct it).

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kuresu
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Message 90 of 297 (321648)
06-14-2006 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by fallacycop
06-14-2006 10:40 PM


Re: Aside on energy and mass
So essentially, we are nothing but energy, if I understand it correctly. Now that's wierd. Nothing but a 150 lb bag of energy, I am.

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kuresu
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Message 129 of 297 (325652)
06-24-2006 11:43 AM
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06-24-2006 3:31 AM


Re: what debate?
I hope your joking. Put a comma inbetween Darwin and geologist, and it reads: before Darwin, geologists . . .
Even without the comma it's safe to assume that the term geologist is separate from Darwin, because otherwise the sentence makes no sense, as there is no "the" before "Darwin", and even the sentence wouldn't be too clear.
ABE:it would help if I read the full thread before posting that.
Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

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kuresu
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Message 142 of 297 (325730)
06-24-2006 4:32 PM
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06-24-2006 4:21 PM


Re: what debate?
Not to draw on a too technical point--wasn't it Descarte who developed rationalism as a philosophy? If I remember correctly, this "rationalism" holds that thinkgs are known "a priorily". Empericism relies on experience, in that knowledge in "post priori".
Now, if you are talking about being a rational being, as in one using logic, then that holds true for science.
But the philosophy of rationalism is based off of "a priori", which while not entirely contrary to science, isn't how our science is based.

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kuresu
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Message 156 of 297 (325751)
06-24-2006 5:20 PM
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06-24-2006 4:57 PM


Re: what debate?
Stupid IE crashed before I could submit my post.
a priori has no connotations with a "moral voice".
It simply means that we know things without, or before, experiencing them.
There are many possiblities, such as knowing God, grammer, and whatnot.
A good example would be this.
Person A: "I know the color blue"
person B: "Have you ever experienced blue?
person A: "no".
Personally, I find empericism to have the better argument. Experience is required to know that thing. How do I know God w/o experiencing Him? How do I know colors? The person above looks a little foolish, but . . .

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kuresu
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Message 158 of 297 (325754)
06-24-2006 5:27 PM
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06-24-2006 5:15 PM


Re: what debate?
sorry, this makes absolutely no sense. Can you expain?
you have so much faith in a system devised by men, for men, to find out what they say 'can't be known', but insist on testing and denying everything up to, yet excluding, their own skepticism
I read his post. Didn't have anything about what you are writing here. So please, expain.

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kuresu
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Message 255 of 297 (390782)
03-21-2007 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by zcoder
03-21-2007 9:10 PM


As I now believe that evolutionists to be under handed, hateful, dishonest
afraid of challenge as well as a group of people who try to silence
others who have different views.
you are quite wrong on this account, Z. I love a challenge, and I am not dishonest, under handed, or hateful (to the best of my ability). There are very few here on EvC who are.
We don't silence those who believe differently from us. We ask questions, and when people make erroneous statements (like 2 + 2 = 5), we try to correct their understanding.
You have misunderstood a whole group of people. Try not to do that again.

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