Why I am creationist

I am creationist because evolution is a theory to me, not a fact. I still think that "evidence" is not being looked at objectively, and that people "favour" evolution because some people fear of bibleGod being true.1. Natural selection can be shown but I don't buy into the second mechanism of mutation.
2. I see no reason to believe that I came from a common ancestor.
3. I'm generally unconvinced by it all, and believe that evidence can also favour creation, and why not? The bible is true!
4. We are way above other animals in our "different ways" - look at what we do; art etc... languages.
5. People skit bibleGod and laugh and say "that's bull cos evo' happened"
6. I can do science like test gravity etc, and I also believe science is correct about facts, but theories, why should they be an absolute certainty when we cannot know what happened in the past. I don't buy into uniformatarianism.And finally, evolutionists piss me off. The same guys who argue creation with me, argue against Christ. So I must conclude this evo thing is against bibleGod, and therefore against me. So stick evolution, it's bullony..Edit; Do not take this post to heart if u r reading it for the first time, the explanation is given in the rest of the thread.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-15-2004 08:00 PM

"Creation is true".

This is a parody of my former self. I typed in "Creation is true" - my first ever topic at this forum. And I then laughed at it,.I thought "evo's piss me off" would have surely gave the game away. As that would be a bizarre reason to not believe in evolution.Also, this topic is a "test" I wanted to read some of my reasons and ask myself if I still believe them. Some I do, some I don't. I'd say number 3 + 4, and 6 are accurate to what I am thinking, apart from "I'm unconvinced by it all" -and certainly some evos fight against Christ - but not all. Even those who have refrained from this topic (him that read - let him understand)and typed nothing in reponse to my naughty tongue, is even innocent of this! And even never fight against Christ!.........10 points to Ooook. I enjoy stirring it from time to time. Bologna that is. Honestly though Jar, I am still confused by your response.As for the blasphemy of God by an unbeliever, this is a most disgraceful attempt to accuse God. And even evidences my naughty sayings almost! THE LORD prefers those who seek wisdom, rather than offering whole sacrifices, and burnt offerings, so that blood is spilled in vain. Your tongue is full of poison against God!This is God preventing us from ourselves, and look at now what we do - we attempt to intefere with genetics, and make bombs. Also - your above quote is innacurate and wrongful, and you didn't back it up. It is a rant against God, and it is infact a lack of wisdom of spirit, and understanding! If you are a believer, then you have dismissed all that the NT says, in favour of trying in vain to make God look bad and blaspheming his name. Likewise did that man say it to those in Jerusalem, "who is God that he will stop the Assyrian" - thus God did speedily remove that blasphemer, when Isaiah told them the word of the LORD.If your rant was justified, and you trusted bibleGod, then you would know that we don't have the law of sin and death, and that all wars are made by humans. Even from the beginning God's intentions were good. But since we have the law of the spirit of life, I can trust that God and his actions are righteouss. Thus only doubters will conclude that God is evil, and call sin progress. I am even happily convinced, that all atrocities were done by man's hand! You can surely prove NOTHING! Even the bible is knowledge, which requires no proof. Where is your wisdom? You have replaced the want of wisdom with self-righteouss haughty tongues. You have said "Evn I - and none else beside me". You think you have the interpretation thereof - infact you have the blindfold of Isaiah and the wax that makes your ears dull of hearing! You spoke it! No - it's doing a number on you. It is the world that speaks to you. Can you refute I AM. Thus if you fall on this stone, it will grind you to powder. Even I myself would wipe the floor with you, if the spirit came upon me. These classes are infact to give you a "list" of information. And intelligence they may have - but wisdom they lack, even the very prophets foretold this, and can you understand it? I trow not.Even those who stammer with precepts, yet a little here, yet a little there - shall utterly blind you, and you won't know the dung that you call sweet to smell.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-15-2004 08:02 PM

Well, I had to make it believable eh, if only to wind Hambre up.

Oh no, I deleted my post, and now I have to do it all again. (I'm so frustrated) It would be logical - yes. I guess it's hard to convince myself though, fully - that evolution happened. This is because there is an element of truth to; "I wasn't there", and I don't mean that as a silly refutation, but rather - we are ignorant of what could have happened. There is no absolute certainty in science because of such things I guess.It might have came about through bibleGod's wonderous variety. I have problems, if we needed to go back to the trees, we couldn't evolve in time to survive could we? I've always thought this was one of the ToE's bigger problems despite the refutations I hear. Because if evolution is adaptation to survive - a change in the gene pool, gosh - that change can take a while!Nevertheless, this thread was parody, but I enjoyed some posts, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone like you or Hambre. I feel stoopid now cos nobody clicked on.I think I intermingled some genuine ideas with some silly ones in message one. Oops, a boo boo by the baba.

Yes, he knew our names since before the creation. it says this in scripture - I also believe it. I guess my problem is that despite lots of species dying and not surviving - I wonder why the changes happen, or what "use" millions of years is. For example, if there is an increase in grizzly bear critters and they start to wock our heads off all the time, what use will wings be in a few million years? Are you saying that eventually our survivors will grow them? And if they have survived, why would they need wings?It's like; If you survive, then you've survived without evolving, but then you increase and just what? evolve anyway? You see, this bothers me. Were the changes in morphology necessary if they survived anyway?

What challenge? If I say, even I could wipe the floor with you, IF the spirit came upon me, do not I suggest that "I = nothing"?If you had understood what I meant, you would see what I am saying. There is another thread for the serpent versus God. Yet compare the serpent to satan, speaking charming things to Christ, and offering Kingdoms. The similarities are enough. Now do you understand that of the world and that of God? What did I warn you of? Did not I say; "These classes are to give you a list of information"?Now concerning there being only God, and concerning I am, I shall provide two quotes for both of your comments, and will you understand? From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord GOD, and his spirit hath sent me.I am the LORD, and there is noone else, there is no God beside meStop insisting that the serpent spoke good things, I have already said that sin is not progress. Did not the law of sin and death and warring follow? Even you said it did!This is not wisdom you speak, save that of the world, - it is a foolish people, that thinks they can become God, there is noone else beside him, he alone stretched out the heavens. If God made it in the beginning good then why would he intend evil? Is it good now? Even you admitt that there was warring concerning the law of sin and death. And so - has the serpent prospered us? Is not our flesh dead to sin? Can you understand what I am even saying? There is only one that is good - God, says Jesus Christ.Since there are about ten different threads for each of your ideas, I cannot possibly satisfy you. God makes peace and creates evil, if you have read the bible, you can tell me why?As for no devil (yet another topic here), I guess you have read no New Testament then? Have you read Job in the OT? I guess not.So you can choose to think that those who provide you with information are correct, and christians are wrong. But that's what you think, it's your opinion that your teacher blows christian ideas away, but you even say that the God of the bible is immature and dangerous etc. Yet we, like those who wrote it - believe in him, - so how correct can you be? Even in Isaiah it says it's blasphemy when that man said "who is the Lord that he can etc..." - and even, therefore, the very Jews who wrote the bible, would - I DOUBT, say you have the meaning thereof, if you accuse their God like you have.I have no further time for your quote mining, designed to make God look bad.Do you believe in Christ? Or any bible? You say things against christian? What exactly is your belief then? Are you a muslim?This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-16-2004 12:35 PM

Mr Hambre, in my deleted post, I admitted Rei's intelligence, and how good her post was, even a post of the month, if I have time, but I deleted it.Nevertheless, this is a misunderstanding. I meant nothing snide and I am surprised by your comments, atleast tell me what part you meant.

Your rants are lengthy, but I must wonder what you're trying to establish. I did read Job, and infact satan was doing what he had always done, he was walking to and fro in the earth, and now he seeked to do evil to Job. It's been a while but; was it Peter? Something about him being the rock on which he will build his church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I said "stop insisting that the serpent spoke good things". I didn't say the serpent lied, but nice try at a strawman. --> Nevertheless, the serpent did lie, so well done in getting me to say it, because he made it sound good what he was offering, like satan did to Christ. God didn't withold anything that should not have been withheld, man's future because of the serpent, is now grim on earth. Our bodies die, because we don't receive the tree of life, but everlasting life God now gives. So, despite being as gods on the earth, despite doing that which we should not do GOD still gives us everlasting life and dies on the cross. Is he the bad guy? The prince of this world is satan. Are you sure that you read the NT?The enemy is satan, the enemy offered Christ the kingdoms of the world. Why?Why argue with me though? What caused these banterisms against me? Who is your teacher? Is he of the world?

Okay - I apologize for saying you are a blasphemer(I'm not an evil person - just an evil poster ), but please apreciate what it looked like when You said; Can you apreciate what it looked like? Or do you think the God of the bible is not God? You have to remember, that I believe in God - spoken of in the bible, as GOD, and that these words appear to be against him. I am not ready to say "this God etc.." incase the bible is wrong in places, and it was actually man that is evil and causes wars etc..
I am one who is not prepared to hear any evil spoken concerning God. There is a possibility that man wrote much and God inspired little. Or that the bible isn't entirely accurate through oral tradition, and faulty human memory. Yet I believe that God is as Christ spoke of him, and that's who he is. I might possibly fault bible but not God of the bible. I still believe in bibleGod, and IF there be fault - it's likely it's all down to man. The world says that God is the bad guy. But God's intentions were always good. This can be seen by God incarnate. He that had no sin was made sin for us. But my teacher is Christ, who is not of the world. Are you saying he is a liar like the serpent then? I agree.

I don't think God is evil. Do you dismiss what Christ said,--> only one is good - God, ?As for Christ not being of this world. If his Kingdom was of this world, wouldn't he have fought for it?In the beginning was the Word,.....the Word became flesh. The Word was with God, the Word was God.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-16-2004 06:57 PM

I find that we could argue over any biblical passage. How is it that ones I mention aren't valid, but yours are? For example John, --> You speak total opinion. Likewise, you say it is blasphemy that the Word is God, - obviously I disagree. Listen my friend, some believers have strange Theologies that confuse me. You are one of these people - Jar also preaches and teaches some strange ideas. It is best we agree to disagree, I could go into lengthy retorts but I frankly can't be bothered as I didn't intend to.(MAn! I apologised for the blasphemy thing)This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-16-2004 08:38 PM

I agree that some evolutionists are indeed against the idea of the biblical God, and withold
or reject this truth. And it is evidenced here everyday with the objections to the God of the bible. Mainly, people think that their own morals find that the biblical God is immoral/unjust - and are against any confirming evidence in his favour. This is not a random or rare occurence, but rather a common and voiced truth at this forum. However, evolutionists would rather say that they do not reject the God of the bible, but rather that they deny any credence to the literalism of the bible. Also, many atheists put the bible in the same group as other texts that appear to be of the same religious value to them, and therefore - have no real issue against any specific deity, but rather - they concentrate on trying to falsify the text that has born creationism, of which they dislike as pseudo-science against the ToE. This is an understandable and reasonable position to take, however, many take it one step too far and try to completely get rid of our faith.So; being evolutionist in itself is to simply accept science, which is perfectly valid, but those born of this other trait, that pits itself against believers in Christ, have earned the extra "ism" --> the addage on "evolution".Nevertheless, many, many evolutionist here have shown integrity in sticking to the science - which is to back up the ToE, and search for truth and reality in a humble and tolerant fashion. Even people in this thread I consider extremely reasonable and have always kept in the cream of the objectivity group. People like Rei,etc, NosyNed, Schrafinator - these people have not attacked our faith but they have patiently and long sufferingly, tried to show us that the ToE is infact a completely and validly true example of science and objectivety, that is the antithesis of religion, which starts with believed premises. And so, rather than becoming victims of the ridiculous literalism rule, which we need not do - rather we should apreciate the the nature of their fascinating Theory, of which they delve into dilligently and patiently - to uncover the diverse majesty of the animal kingdom, in all it's brilliance. So, to these latter few people, we owe our thanks, and to them - my message number one is the utter foolishness it should be, a farsical parody of a former nitwit, thinking he could have the title of "scientific" from watching a creationism program.So, this here ends my rant. There is truth to your comments Willowtree, but there is also truth to evolution persons of honest and genuine search for truth, - obeying their senses and looking upon evidences, to ascertain conclusions grounded in blunt and unbiased investigative fact.

Dear Admin, can you please shut this one down, it's a waste of space, and there seems to be no theme. Thanks.

Okay Percy, your the boss, if you think the thread has merit I'll go with the flow. Wow. Good question. I think the difference might be in how determined the creationismist is to take the bible literally, and how undetermined the creationist is, in observing a historical text as scientific, which is - in my opinion, the wrongful use of it. This might be relevant to that topic we had it out in Percy, "Reasons to believe"...So; I think a creationismist has a more strict scientific outlook concerning poetic and mysterious books like Genesis, while creationist are more objective and logical, in that they open the door to other possibilities of creation, knowing that God is unlimited in his unfathomable ways.