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Message 41 of 300 (428361)
10-16-2007 7:17 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by bluegenes
10-16-2007 6:55 AM


Re: Sabbath stoning
God had to be strict to show he meant the laws he had given the Israelites. Jesus IS God. When Jesus came to earth, it was to die so that we could have forgiveness. Jesus was without sin, so although he had all our sins on him when he died, he had no sin in him. 'The wages of sin is death...' but Jesus had not sinned, so death couldn't hold him down,
'But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.' Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. Jesus is completely God. The Trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit) are all God, although this doesn't really make sense, because how can three be one?
But there are many things that our primitive human minds cannot get around. These are things we must ask God in heaven. That man was getting what he deserved, but Jesus has now died, so we can have the gift of God-eternal life.
Edited by AdminPhat, : spaces

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Message 42 of 300 (428362)
10-16-2007 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Brian
10-16-2007 7:14 AM


'In the last days...' That sure sounds like it is talking about the end of time. I believe the Messiah is and was Jesus. Please give me a prophecy about the messiah, not the end of time, that Jesus did not fullfil.

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Message 56 of 300 (428657)
10-17-2007 5:30 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Brian
10-16-2007 7:30 AM


Give me a verse which demonstrates God's 'thirst for blood'. God created us, and has a right to take our life away. God gave Jonah free choice. He allowed him to get halfway across the world and then still allowed him the choice of whether or not to admit to causing the storm, the choice to obey after God saved him with a fish. Pharoah did have that choice, but God knew already what his response would be. God knows all.

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Message 57 of 300 (428658)
10-17-2007 5:33 AM
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10-16-2007 7:31 AM


Re: Sabbath stoning
Grace and the law are two different things. Anyone who breaks the law (the Ten Commandments) deserves death. But God's grace gives us life. God could have pardoned that man, but in that situation it would have seemed to the Israelites that God's recently given law was merely advice, not law which they must obey.

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Message 58 of 300 (428659)
10-17-2007 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by bluegenes
10-16-2007 7:44 AM


Re: Favoured Tribe
I cannot read God's mind. I do not have all the answers, and I am definitely not perfect. Yes, the Old Testament prophets were mostly from Israel. Back then, these were his chosen people. But, good people from other places were saved as well. Eg, Rahab, the Ninevites etc. New Testament, there were the Wise Men, a few important Romans, and the Apostles spread the word of Jesus Christ to most of the then known world. Just look at the titles of Paul's (and others) letters: Corinthians, Phillipians, Collosians, Galatians, Romans, Hebrews, etc. Many who have not heard the law have it written on their hearts, so they are a law to themselves. They will not be judged as if they know the law.

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Message 59 of 300 (428660)
10-17-2007 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by nator
10-16-2007 8:59 AM


nator writes:
You believe the Bible is true becasue the Bible itself says it is true?
Can you see the problem with the logic of this?
Yes I can see how some people don't get this. I have talked quite a bit about this in the thread 'The Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly made'. Please read what I say in that, then ask me again if you have further queries.

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Message 109 of 300 (428917)
10-18-2007 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Brian
10-17-2007 6:04 AM


Re: Bible Study 101
My first post deliberately asks that people dont argue too much in this thread. I made it for people who are honestly searching for something more in their lives. If you want to debate things, please use another thread. God loves you, and so do I. But this is not the place for a debate. Yes, I do have answers to what you have stated, but this thread is not the place. I welcome you views, not your arguments. Almost everything in your post I have been over before. I am praying for you, and everyone else in this forum, sincerely that you may come to know Christ as I do.
God Bless you, my brother (or sister, but your name suggests you are male) in Christ.

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Message 110 of 300 (428919)
10-18-2007 4:43 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by PaulK
10-17-2007 7:43 AM


You may also like to read the post I just sent in reply to Brian. God sometimes performs in ways we cannot understand until he explains it. I do not see that I disagreed with the Bible. I stand by the belief that God knows all that has happened, is happening and will happen. He is all-powerful, all-present and all-knowing. (the Bible backs this up). I will also pray ernestly for you that you will come to know Jesus Christ.

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Message 112 of 300 (428921)
10-18-2007 4:58 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Chiroptera
10-17-2007 8:23 AM


God created us. God created the earth. 'The earth' includes our atmosphere, food, water and everything else that keeps us alive. Why is it that a lot of humans completely disregard God for all their lives, and then when someone dies or is hurt or there is some other tradgedy, they scream at God and ask him why he did it? Well, the thing is, he didn't do it. Satan did. Yes, God could have stopped him, but here is the reason:
The only reason Satan is still alive is because God allowed it. Now, this may seem weird and cruel to the rest of us, but keep reading. Lucifer (what Satan was called before the fall) had gone around in heaven and convinced a third of the angels that God was unfair. This is because God hadn't included him, the head angel in his plans for the new earth. He was jealous, and like so many people who are just below the top position, tried extremely hard to get to the top. God had to throw Lucifer out of heaven, along with a third of his beloved angels. If God had killed Satan, then everyone would have always wondered what might have happened. We would have obeyed God out of fear, not love. God gave him a chance to show his way on this earth. Please note; Eve didn't have to eat the apple off the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but she gave into temptation and the result was Satan and his demons (fallen angels) being allowed over the whole earth. There is no sin on other planets. Only here. The whole universe is watching to see if we give in to Evil. I pray that you won't. I pray you all will resist. I pray you will all come to know Christ sincerely.
Edited by gen, : I said the whole world was watching when I should have said universe.

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Message 115 of 300 (428942)
10-18-2007 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Rahvin
10-17-2007 9:43 AM


Rahvin writes:
In addition to the aforementioned Flood that killed everything on Earth:
Genesis 19:24
quote:
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Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
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Exodus 12:29
quote:
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And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
In all three of these circumstances, the people had a chance to surrender to God and live. Noah preached for about 100 years to the people asking them to repent. None repented, but they had the choice. Abraham argued with God enough so that if there were even 10!!! good people in Sodom, then they would be spared. Pharoah had numerous chances to allow the Israelites out. But he declined. But even some of the Egyptians painted blood on their doorposts and were spared. All of Egypt could have done this. They were given the choice.
Rahvin writes:
The entire book of Leviticus, nearly, is devoted to instructing the Hebrews on how to make blood sacrifices. I literally can't quote it all - it's almost the entire book.
The core ****** tenet of Christianity is that God sacrificed himself as Jesus to himself on the Cross. At minimum that is human sacrifice. At most it's also ******* insane.
Please do not use profanity. I have eliminated those words in the quote. The sacrifice of the lamb is not merely for the sake of it. It points towards Jesus giving his life to save ours. 'The Creator of the Universe would rather die for you than live without you.' (Thats a quote, but I'm not quite sure who said it). Think on that quote for a minute. In the Old Testament, the Ten Commandments were given to the Israelites by God. Anyone who breaks God's law is worthy of death. A lamb had to die in their place for their sins, because Jesus hadn't come yet. So those sacrifices pointed to the ultimate Sacrifice-Jesus Christ, the Son of God. When Jesus died, he paid for all of our sins. 'The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.' Romans 6:23. He died so we could go to heaven. We, means anyone on this earth. The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. It's a gift! All we have to do is accept it. That's what different about Jesus! Most other religions include people [i]earning[i/] their own Salvation. But God gives it to us for free! Why shouldn't we accept? Romans 10:9 'If you confess with your mouth 'Jesus is Lord' and believe in your heart that God raise him from the dead, you will be saved! It's that simple! God's grace is a free gift to all who take it. Not accepting is like refusing a birthday gift and saying 'I need to earn it.' Sounds silly, doesn't it? That's because it is. Accept God's gift!
Rahvin writes:
The Hebrews in the Bible commit genocide after genocide in the name of God, with his supposed approval (killing all of the males and taking the women and female children as their "wives," for example. Can you say rape?).
God's people don't always do what God wants. This is wrong. 'Do not commit adultery.' 'Do not murder.' No-one on earth is perfect. This is exactly the reason we need God's grace. Without it, we would be dead. It is not God that causes these things, but Satan.
Rahvin writes:
...by that same logic any woman should be able to kill their child - any time, at any age, for no reason, becasue she gave the child life, and so "has the right to take it away."
Without God, the whole reproduction process would not, could not happen. God has given us the ability to do so.
Rahvin writes:
There's that kid with the magnifying glass again. "Look how great I am! Look what I can do!"
God fully deserves our praise. He created us, He died for us, He puts up with our silly whims, and He will take all who accept His gift to heaven one day. He can't do much more.
I am praying for you Rahvin, my brother/sister in Christ, that you may come to know Jesus as your Saviour.
God Bless.

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Message 116 of 300 (428943)
10-18-2007 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by nator
10-17-2007 10:53 AM


I stopped replying in that thread because everything was going round in circles and I could see I wouldn't change their minds. The whole Bible agrees, and it was written by over 40 authors over a few thousand years on several different continents! Most of them didn't know each other, though may have read the others books. Especially the Old Testament prophets agree, often without knowing each other, or reading each others books. Any further discussion on this topic should be continued in the aforementioned thread.
God Bless.

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Message 130 of 300 (429563)
10-20-2007 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Fosdick
10-17-2007 11:01 AM


Re: Jesus's circumcision
The Bible does not specifically mention about Jesus genes scientifically, because there was little known about that 2000 years ago. Luke, a doctor, gives the most detailed account of the birth of Jesus:
Luke 1:26-38 writes:
...God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."
Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a Son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."
"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"
The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to be born will be called the Son of God. Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. For nothing is impossible with God."
"I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her.
As you can see, Jesus was not conceived normally. It was a miracle. Jesus really had no biological 'father', but the Holy Spirit caused Mary to conceive a child.
Luke 2:21 writes:
On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived.
Yes, Jesus was circumcised.
Thankyou for your interest and questions. I will pray for you, as everyone else I receive questions from, my brother/sister in Christ.
gen.

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Message 131 of 300 (429565)
10-20-2007 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by macaroniandcheese
10-17-2007 11:19 AM


brennakimi writes:
but the scripture says that the law is natural and all are without excuse. anyone who has or has not heard the law is still held by it.
Please give me a Scripture reference for this. Please consider the following verse, which is different to what you are saying.
Romans 2:12-15 writes:
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.
I hope this texts helps you to see the difference.
God Bless you, my brother/sister in Christ.

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Message 133 of 300 (429567)
10-20-2007 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by nator
10-17-2007 12:19 PM


nator writes:
John, for example, was written something like 300 years later, IIRC.
Sorry, but no. John was one of Jesus close friends, an apostle in fact. He definitely didn't live for another 300 years.
nator writes:
John is very different in character than the other three Gospels. All the talk of a literal, in-the-flesh, very, very soon Second Coming present in the others is downplayed in John. Jesus's gift to us was changed into a spiritual, symbolic rebirth rather than the military victory of the rest of the Gospels.
All the gospels are different, because they were written by different people with different backgrounds and qualifications. Matthew was a former tax collecter, and a disciple, Mark was not a disciple, and was probably a Roman, Luke was a Greek doctor, and never met Jesus face to face, and John was a disciple, formerly a fisherman. Of course they will have different writing styles. They had different viewpoints, different relationships, and different statuses. So their view of Jesus was different, but they all mostly agreed. I know there are some discrepencies, but depending on how you look at them, they can usually be seen as the same. There are still some things that we can't understand until we get to heaven and ask the One with the nail-pierced Hands himself.
God Bless you, my brother/sister in Christ Jesus, our Lord.

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Message 134 of 300 (429571)
10-20-2007 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by iceage
10-17-2007 12:37 PM


Re: Why is Faith a Good Thing: Equivocation Fallacy
iceage writes:
Faith that the world is spherical and faith is Jesus are not the same thing.
True. But they are still both faith. You are still believing what someone has told you if you have not travelled around the world.
iceage writes:
Also no one is telling you that your belief in the geometry of the planet earth will decide heavenly eternal bliss or eternal damnation and suffering.
No, it won't. But I was giving an example of faith. I do not believe in an eternal hell. God will not have His creation, although it turned away from Him, suffer forever. They will die, and not become alive again. They will not suffer and suffer, because God is not that cruel.
iceage writes:
Why would the creator make it so critically important to have faith and believe in something "what we do not see"? Why would a creator give us eyes and a brain but require that we not use them. It all sounds more like a gullibility contest.
To have faith, you must have faith in your faith. I look around with my eyes, and they send messages to my brain of an earth filled with life that could not have come about by random. I can see the intricacy of nature, and it is obvious that there is divine creation involved.
God Bless you, my brother/sister in Christ. I pray that you come to know Him as your Saviour, for that is what He longs to be.

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