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Author Topic:   Atheism is a belief (Why Atheists don't believe part 2)
sidelined
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Message 16 of 302 (314870)
05-24-2006 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
05-23-2006 7:37 PM


riVeRrat
Why should they believe? Well the bible clearly states, that it is faith that gets you your evidence.
Ok let us argue this on grounds that are hopefully pertainent.
The terrorists that flew into the world trade center had faith in God did they not? The faith they had was sufficient enough for them to overcome the instinct to self-preservation.
Now if faith in something is what gets you your evidence then the terrorists can be seen as a stunning example of the depth to which faith can drive a person's actions. Of course,we know that they had the wrong kind of faith because the book they read from is not the right one eh? We all know that no one who has read the bible has ever commited such atrocities.
So it seems that you have withheld some crucial point that differentiates the bible from other texts and the establishment of what faith is.
However, there is a huge difficulty that arrives on our doorstep if this is the case. If you have some means of differentiation then this must beevidence of some sort and bringing in evidence for the differentiation would be contradictory to the requirement of faith that is the central tenet of your claim.
Perhaps you need to clarify what you consider faith to be?

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Message 162 of 302 (315957)
05-29-2006 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by nator
05-29-2006 11:29 AM


Re: Uh?
schrafinator
They were just some beliefs I grew out of, one when I was 7 and the other when I was in my early twenties.
Wow, you believed in Santa till you were in your twenties? Must have been a brutal come down.

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Message 176 of 302 (316012)
05-29-2006 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by iano
05-29-2006 11:47 AM


Re: Objectivity
iano
He told me to tell you that bit about loving you madly. So madly in fact that he put his son to death so that you could love him madly back
Funny how the quality of madness seems to seep into these sentences iano. It might be better stated another way I think.
Someone who would kill their offspring on my behalf has not earned anything from my heart but pity and comtempt. How this is a demonstration of love strikes me as a twisting of morality so contorted as to warrant my avoidance.
But I am a hell bound atheist with no beauty in my impoverished soul so what can one expect eh?
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sidelined
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Message 177 of 302 (316014)
05-29-2006 1:39 PM
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05-29-2006 12:03 PM


Re: Uh?
schrafinator
Perhaps I do. I can appreciate the feeling of abysmal emptiness that must coincide with the loss of a worldview so long held and so cherished.
I once held such a stance myself though not of the biblical worldview.

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Message 224 of 302 (316474)
05-31-2006 1:54 AM
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05-29-2006 2:24 PM


Re: Objectivity
iano
he son is as much God as is the father. The Father sacrificed his son and punished him instead of us. God punished God. God punished himself
And this removes the quality of madness how?

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Message 283 of 302 (316780)
06-01-2006 3:01 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by jar
05-31-2006 9:40 PM


Re: Well...Yes and No!
jar
All Good Atheists welcome in Heaven, didn't you know?
You better be ready to tear up some powder snow in those heavenly valleys jar. Dress warm and bring some beer.

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