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keith63 Inactive Member |
The admin closed down the thread why does Jesus misquote the Old Testament before I had a chance to reply to the posts put up last night. Anyway if there were 50 hits in one day we must have been talking about something interesting even if it was off the original topic. So why not start a new topic and maybe we can continue.
I did find some answers last night to Dan’s objection to this Generation
The bible also says that all those prophecies will happen within a single generation. this is one of the sites in the bible (King James Version)
Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. I looked up an explanation last night and found that the Hebrew word for Generation can actually be translated to mean race or Family This interpretation seems to be more likely since in Mark 13:10 it says
And the gospel must first be published among all nations Now obviously it would have been impossible to preach (as I have sometimes seen it) or publish the Gospel to all nations during Christ’s time or a literal interpretation of generation. But if it can be translated to say race then that would make sense. The Jewish race is still here and the prophecies are now coming true about them.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
The bible can be translated, from the language it was written in. There are several ways some words can be translated so most good study bibles will explain alternative ways the bible could be interpreted. Obviously in this case the word generation had multiple interpretations but when you look at the context it makes sense. So I would say we can still interpret those parts of the Bible which are meant to be taken literally, literally. And the parts used as metaphors, like the parables, as metaphors.
If The word generation can be interpreted as meaning race then the prophecies about Israel still fall within the time frame given. I also am posting this in response to someones post about Israel not occupying the land they were promiced.
Israel has never and will never inhabit the land promised to them by God, from the Nile to the Euphrates no less, care to explain how that little gem hasn't worked out? I don’t even find this in the bible. I did several searches. What I did find was this
So Joshua took the whole land, according to all that the LORD said unto Moses; and Joshua gave it for an inheritance unto Israel according to their divisions by their tribes. And the land rested from war. Also this about the 1967 six day warIsrael's victory was extremely devastating to the arabs, who expected victory for themselves. The fact that the war took only 6 days shows that Hashem is with Israel. The arab forces lost almost their entire air forces, and much of their armed weaponry. 10,000 Egyptians were killed in Siniai and Gaza alone, compared to the 300 Israeli casualties on that front. In all, Egypt lost about 11,000 troops, Jordan lost about 6,000, Syria lost about 1,000, and Israel lost about 700. Israel gained all of Jerusalem, The Golan Heights, Siniai, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank. http://members.aol.com/RChera/aftermath.html This map shows all the lands that Israel gained after the war. Everything colored in yellow is what Israel gained. Israel was forced out of the land which was prophicied.
Therefore it shall come to pass, [that] as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you. Israel didn’t follow the Lord with all their heart so they were removed from the land they were promised. [This message has been edited by keith63, 11-21-2003]
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keith63 Inactive Member |
this would also imply that the Jewish race will not be here once these things are finally done. Since these prophecies talk about the end of the age,"heaven and Earth will all pass away", then I would say ultimately you are right. But actually when all these things happen all the nations will gather to make war with Israel and will ultimately be defeated. The stage for this is already being set and even though it hasn't happened yet, it should be quite obvious that the way the world is now it would not be hard to imagine the world being against Israel. Except for the US there doesn't seem to be many friends left.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
Never before possible until international travel, TV, Radio and the internet. We are just now to the point that every nation on earth can hear the good news of the gospel.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
Not if you take the entire passage into consideration. It should be obvious which interpretation is correct when you look at the accompanying verses. Jesus, being all knowing, certainly would have known the bible couldn't possibly be preached to all the nations on earth before that generation passed away.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
Sure it does. You said it was a self fulfilling prophecy and I said it could never have been fulfilled until now.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
Are bats birds? Were do you see this? I did a search and I can't find it. Give me a verse.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
The people of ancient Israel were not aware quite how many nations there actually were on the planet. He could easily have thought it would be possible. Very true, but Jesus would have and he was the one making the prophecy.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
I doubt is Moses had a degree in science. Even scientist thought the world was flat before columbus but their assumptions were based on the knowledge they had at the time. Now even that looks laughable, but during that day I'm sure even you would have been ridiculing Columbus.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
Sure they are. It's called the Great Commission. As a Christian we are supposed to preach the Gospel to all men. But the fact remains that as we are finally accomplishing this prophecy, Isreal just happens to be back in their homeland, and ready to build the temple, all at the same time and the same in history. We can certainly self fulfill the preaching but we didn't have anything to do with the timing of Israel and the Temple.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
see post 24
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keith63 Inactive Member |
Based on your knowledge now.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
Really? So Columbus wasn't trying to sail around the world? Everyone already knew the world was round?
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keith63 Inactive Member |
You missed the rest of it. Just as we accomplish what was prophecy, the other prophecies are all coming true at the same time. There is nothing we could do to fulfill this. I didn't put all the suplies together to build the temple. Israel certainly wasn't strong enough to defeat its enemies in 1948 and 1967. Yet they are all happening at the same time.
Well I hate to leave but I'm off with the family for the weekend. Pick it up on Monday.
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keith63 Inactive Member |
Also the bible says that the reason God is waiting to fulfill all these prophecies is because he is unwilling that "any" should perish. He is a loving God and he doesn't want anyone to be lost.
But I think looking at our world right now you would have to agree that many of these prophecies are being fulfilled.1. Bible preached throughout the nations 2. Israel returning to their land even though they have been persecuted severly. 3. The temple is ready to be built 4. THe United Nations and others are moving toward a one world governmen. 5. Christians are being persecuted. 6. Signs in the heavens (huge solar flares) 7. Wars and rumors of wars And even though people thought they were in the last days for thousands of years, It is obvious that the technology needed to fulfill these prophecies has never existed until now. By the way I found some more prophecy begining to be fulfilled. I Just thought I would throw this out incase any of you missed it. It’s a device that can be implanted under the skin that can be used to track an individual, contain medical information, and be used to purchase goods. Sounds like a precursor to (Rev. 13 v.16-17) And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand, or on their forehead, and he provides that no one should be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. Now it is true this isn’t a mark but you must remember that John didn’t know about microchips or injections so he had to describe things in terms he understood. Here is an article Page not found - Rapture Ready And here is the company that makes the product. You can read about all their applications and plans for the future. https://gvsregistry.4verichip.com/index.html [This message has been edited by keith63, 11-24-2003]
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