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Author Topic:   Does prophecy support the Bible
zephyr
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Message 51 of 191 (68471)
11-21-2003 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Buzsaw
11-21-2003 8:13 PM


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But several of the prophets including Jesus have them returning to the land and as promised to Abraham, it will eventually include all the land from the River of Egypt near Gaza all the way up to the Euphrates which is presently in part of Syria. Humanly speaking, they should've been driven into the sea handily many times over by now, but no, they're in the land TO STAY, and this's not the end. They've more land to acquire but likely Jesus will be here to finish the ocupation and set the boundaries as prophesied. Armageddon edges ever nearer!!
How does it feel to be excited about the prospect of massive human suffering and death? Come to think of it, I remember. That was me as a ten-year-old, reading Revelation and only enjoying it because I could not comprehend the horrors it forecasts for humanity. How a decent human being could be excited about the infliction of agony upon the entire human race is utterly beyond me.
As far as Armageddon edging ever nearer, the first generation of Christians was as convinced as you are. So were the hundreds of generations that have gone to their graves since then. I may be concerned about where the human race is headed, but the events of John's supposed vision are the last thing on my mind.

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zephyr
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Message 54 of 191 (68479)
11-21-2003 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Buzsaw
11-21-2003 9:46 PM


The prophecies are not clear in any way, shape or form. They are very demonstrably malleable, and their interpretation by the faithful has been altered to fit current events for the last two thousand years. You know as well as I (if you have bothered to inform yourself) that the early Christians expected the Messiah's return just as "soon" as you do. As for the rest, it's a Friday night. Accordingly, in my stupidity and insolence, I find it a far more entertaining prospect to go get hammered than to bother with the same old pronunciations from you. I'm Audi....

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zephyr
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Message 107 of 191 (68984)
11-24-2003 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by keith63
11-24-2003 1:17 PM


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This trivializes the costs and technology involved in accomplishing these.
You know, even with ancient and very limited technology, it would have been theoretically possible to reach every point in the world in a lifetime. Jeez, the safe, established trade routes covered a pretty large chunk of the earth's area and population, and could be covered in months. Not to mention that you claim God was behind this prophecy, and with him all things are possible! Try to be self-consistent here!
That you have denied the ability of an omnipotent God to accomplish what the prophecy says is NOT a good reason to insist that it actually says something else.
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With your argument it would be impossible to make any prophecy because as soon as someone could read about it they could self fulfill it.
You can make any prophecy you want! Nobody can stop that. What they can do is doubt a supernatural origin of a "prophecy" whose very origin and fulfilment can be explained perfectly well by human events.
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But I'm sure when Jesus sets foot on the Mt. of Olives, you will say that doesn't fulfill prophecy because Jesus knew he said that therefore it was a self fulfilling prophecy.
Now you're resorting to misrepresentation of conclusions that differ from yours, apparently to make your belief appear more rational by comparison. Maybe you find this comforting, or maybe you just like to insult people. Regardless, it impedes the discussion. Your prediction is pretty nonsensical.

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zephyr
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Message 115 of 191 (69031)
11-24-2003 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by keith63
11-24-2003 3:16 PM


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It would have taken them longer than a lifetime to copy the bible much less translate it into all the languages on earth. You do realize that they had to copy the bible by hand back in Jesus time.
When did having an entire copy of the Bible in a language become a requirement of preaching Christianity in that language? You can learn enough for conversation in a matter of hours or days.
If you're going to claim this is fulfilled prophecy, maybe we should start over with what exactly is prophesied. Does the Bible need to be translated into every dialect? What about languages that have no writing? Then, does it need to be preached to every family group, or just to every ethnicity? How about every artificial political division... do you use autonomous countries, or states/provinces/other?
In any event, it will be difficult to prove that such a thing was impossible up to a certain time and is now inevitable.

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zephyr
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Message 175 of 191 (69233)
11-25-2003 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Zealot
11-25-2003 12:29 PM


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Jesus prophecised.
Prophesied. Prof-eh-sighed.
Sorry, just a huge pet peeve of mine. I can't stand seeing/hearing that word butchered.

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zephyr
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Message 186 of 191 (69420)
11-26-2003 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Buzsaw
11-25-2003 5:18 PM


HAHA!
Hey guys! Look at one of your posts, then look at the avatar. See the 3 lines of text underneath it? Read the last.
Bingo....
[This message has been edited by zephyr, 11-26-2003]

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