Does prophecy support the Bible

Presumably by "Biblephobia" you mean "preferring the Bible to the word of Buzsaw"If you're fed up to people who won't listen to "reason" (by which you mean anythinf you say no matter how unreasonable) and who refuse to concede just because they'e right and you're wrong then what ARE you doing here ?[This message has been edited by PaulK, 11-23-2003]

Not so outrageous when you consider the context. A would-be Messiah predicting the imminent end of the world, with a victory for his forces.Now if he had clearly predicted what actually happened then it would have been interesting. But as it is it seems to be propaganda or the sort of (usually misplaced) cnfidence we could expect from a cult leader.

Going through your list, I'll leave out 1 and 2 because they aren't very convincing examples of prophecy even though the events have occurred (although the time taken is rather longer than the text seems to allow).3) The Temple is "ready to be built" only in the sense that Israel holds the site - as they have done for decades. It isn't being rebuilt now, it may never be rebuilt.4) The United Nations "moving towards World Govenment" ???? Right now the idea is laughable. There's no prospect of the U.S. agreeing and even less chance that the Chinese would. No, we can write this one off as not happening and not likely to happen in the forseeable future.5) Christians being persecuted ? In some places. This is nothign new, so it is worthless as a sign.6) "Signs in the Heavens" are a regular occurrence unless the rest of the prophecies were imminent - and 3 and 4 are right out there's nothing to suggest that the recent solar flares have anything more to do with the prophecy than the appearance of Halley's Comet - just before the Normans invaded England.7) When haven't there been "wars and rumours of wars" ?SO we've got two that definitely don't apple and three more that are so general that they don't refer to ANY specific time. Not an impressive record.As for the VeriChip it doesn't seem that it would be likely to be implanted in the forehead, nor would it leave a visible mark. Indeed the illustration in the VeriGuard information (under "products") suggests implanting it in the arm above the elbow - nowhere near the hand either. In other words it is not likely that John had this in mind at all. It is far more likely that he meant physical marks - a brand or tatoo.

All the Revelation says is that ONLY those bearing the mark will be PERMITTED to buy or sell. There is nothing about "marks" or "numbers" being involved in the actual trading.If the Bible is so great then why do you prefer your own imaginings over what it actually says ?

So the Bible isn't good enough for you either.SO basically you and Buz reckon that a cashless society is near (well THAT'S been said for something like twenty years - perhaps more). ANd then you pretend that it's predicted by the BibleIf you REALLY believed in the Bible you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't NEED to pretend that it says something it does not - and you would fear the consequences. Revelation 22:18.

If the Bible is good enough for you then why try to pretend something it doesn't ?

I guess you can't manage to follow the thread back.But here is the point again. The Revelation does not mention a cashless society. I(t does not mention bar codes either - do you think John was too stupid to notice that bar codes are put on goods, not people ?). So why try to pretend that it does ?

So you really think that John saw someone gettign an RFID chip implanted in his arm and mistook it for him having a barcode pasted on his forehead ?Here are the versesRev 13:16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves,
to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.("he" is the second beast)The only things needed is a way to make permanent marks on human skin and enforcers to prevent anyone without the mark trading. There is no need for any technology more advanced than tattooing for the markNote that the mark includes EITHER the name or the number. UPC Barcodes only have guard marks that resemble an ENCODED six, and have no provision to encode names - and they are not going to be put on foreheads or hands. So the Bible as good as tells us that the mark of the beast is NOT a UPC barcode.It is a mark on the right hand or forehead so it is not an RFID chip. They are not easily visible, and more likely to be implanted in an arm.It is not described as a means of personal identification, nor any sort of financial record so what use could it be in trade ?