Biblical contradictions II

I don't know what you are talking about. How did you correct me about the "Tree of Life" . Are you sure that you aren't the one "getting pissed" because you obviously aren't taking to read even the short posts I've been writinh.As you agree "God said they have become like one of us, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL"Which is exactly what the serpent said - as I have already shown - and directly contradicts your claim that Adam and Eve did not becoem God.

'And you definately haven't shown that god didn't lie. 'I HAVE, you see they did die that day, they started to age that day and what I qouted proves , yes proves God was true in his intentions, as he took them away from the tree of life. Look your not going to win this one because.
1. They did die eventually and as soon as they took the fruit it started.
2. I have more than shown you how the text says the serpant did not have good intentions.
3. In the end they should have obeyed God and they would have stayed in Eden and not suffered or be miserable or die.The serpant made out "beguiling" I qoute that it would be a good move!If you read the message I qouted , I think I have done okay in explaining this.

'and directly contradicts your claim that Adam and Eve did not becoem God. 'No they didn't become God otherwise they would have ignored his punishments and not ever be under his power again. I think you guys ARE now starting to nit pick which indicates a bit of desperation.I'm not pissed because it was revealed to me (by being patient) that what you guys were saying was wrong as God shown me the text I qouted , read all of it, yes God is right about good and evil - and I'll even concede the serpant was right that they would know good and evil, but God is only saying they have become like 'them' because they know good and evil.its petty really and its ignoring that YES what I have qoute definately proves God's intentions were true. Go and read it I'm positive you will see wer I am coming from. Okay I'm sorry I said your pissed but its the nit picking that baffles me.

Apparently they would become like one of us. Becoming like something isnt identical to being exactly the same. Like in this context is to have a nature similar to that of God.Clearly man is similar to God, we murder, torture, lie and cheat, just like God does.Brian

Mike, Mike, Mike...
1. since they hadn't yet eaten of the tree of life....they were going to age and die, as all life does. (future, unstated, intensions do not count - read: interpretations)2. I never said the serpent had good or bad intensions, you are not responding to anything I have said. I said the serpent did not lie.3. once again, obeying a law, implies a knowledge of right and wrong, something they did not have at the time.The only person you have "done okay in explaining this" to, is yourself. If you had done okay, you'd think that some of us here would be conceding your point. (contrary to popular opinion, the non-literalists here do admit to being wrong, literalists just want them to do it with no evidence)------------------
Asgara"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

Theologian63,Try these on for size... [This message has been edited by Asgara, 07-25-2003]

OK, I was typing quickly and left out 'like' in my last post. I'll admit to that error.But knowing "good and evil" is exactly how the serpent SAID they would be like God - I even quoted the verse, Genesis 3:5.Here it is again in the NIV translation:
"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and
you will be like God, knowing good and evil."So far rather than accept that - after I proved it - you've claimed that I was "pissed" over something that never happened, and now you are calling me "petty".The point is that what you said wasn't true - and can easily be seen not to be true. And you're the one who's blowing things up by refusing to accept that fact, even after being proven wrong.I thought you weren't as bad as many creationists but this "let's ignore the Bible and assume it says what I want" is all too typical.

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It was clearly different and quite mysterious, the text does not say (I dont think). However God says and warns not to touch it . Now the tree of life had become untouchable aswell because of mans 'shameful fall'.

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The text is not mysterious at all about the effects of the fruit. God and the serpent agreed about its effects. If you're talking about the reason God put it there, right in front of the people, when they weren't supposed to eat it... well, I have to agree with Rhain. They were set up. They did not know right from wrong, and they were bound to fail, especially when their omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent god........ left them alone with the tree and didn't watch them! (hello!)As far as the tree of life being untouchable, I think that's the wrong word. They obviously had the power to touch it, or they wouldn't have been exiled from the garden.

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1. They did die eventually and as soon as they took the fruit it started.

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It didn't happen that day. Furthermore, the Bible doesn't ever say it started that day, does it?It's nice and dramatic to say we start dying when we're born, or whatever, but when somebody says you're going to die on a particular day, especially if you're a simpleton with literally no knowledge of anything, born pretty much yesterday, there's only one way to take it: you will drop dead. The undeniable fact is that the fruit did something to them very different from what God said, and EXACTLY as the serpent predicted. They gained knowledge of good and evil, and lived hundreds of years thereafter.

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'Can you deny that these words exist in Genesis, "..for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"?'

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We are all dying this minute, our bodies age and die every day...

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Mike, you are interpreting here....which is fine, of course, but if you interpret the Bible to suit yourself here, instead of taking what is written more at face value as we are, then that just means that you just pick and choose what you want to take literally and what you want to interpret.So, that simply means, at the end of the day, that anything in the Bible can be interpreted to suit anybody.

mike

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In the end they should have obeyed God and they would have stayed in Eden and not suffered or be miserable or die.

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why should they have obeyed? you can't very well obey When you don't Understand can you? if they don't know what Good and Evil is how can they understand that what God said was the right thing to do?
so they did not sin!
either the Bible was written wrong or God is very Unjust and lies.
Personally I would want nothing to do with a God like that.Now Mike do you Understand yet? how can you say everything in the Bible is true if you won't listen to it? I mean what you have said its says in this Topic isn't what it says. we are putting our Beliefs Aside to read the Bible the least you can do is read what we are saying. and no I haven't noticed it going both ways because they seem to read your posts just fine you just haven't presented anything to back up what you said with please do so . if you can't Please Admit that what you believe might not be exactly what you think you do. I went through alot. I was rasied a catholic however I was a science person to. In order to Continue My passion for science I needed to think another way in Order to do Science I needed an Open mind. and I needed to think logically not just listen to what was shoved down my throat all these years. you have the right to Believe what you want but I do ask you to think about it not just Listen to you Parents(or who ever) scope things out. listen to us. take it in and think thats all I ask[This message has been edited by DC85, 07-26-2003]

Hi Asgara,Great collection of verses. I just checked theologian63's message index and it seems that he has not been notified of your response. Could that be because you have edited it?db------------------
Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School?

An intelligent reply awaits you. No Refunddb------------------
Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School?

Hi DocB,I don't know if editing a post takes it off the reply list or not, maybe one of our illustrious leaders can answer that.I don't think it matters though, I'll bet Theologian is going to be a hit and run poster.------------------
Asgara"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato{NOTE from Adminnemooseus - That list has the most recent message from each topic the poster participated in. The message in question is NOT Theologian's most recent message in that topic.}[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 07-26-2003]

As, apparently, was Culverin. I had a suspicion, from the moment they both appeared almost simultaneously, they might be one and the same interloper.Now that they have both apparently disappeared, apparently simultaneously; my suspicions seem to be confirmed.What a circus!It must be tough for some of these guys. They might want to apply their intellects to these questions, but in doing so may risk what meager retirement awaits them as clergymen, or religious teachers. I got booted early, so I'm a lucky one. I can think what I want without risking my financial future.God be with you Theo/Culverin, wherever you are.db------------------
Doesn't anyone graduate Sunday School?{NOTE from Adminnemooseus - They did join the same day, but their IP numbers are different. There is no hard evidence I am aware of, that "Theo/Culverin" is the same person. That said, I am aware of 2 instances of the same person being registered under 2 or more names - but those people are not posting under more than 1 name.}[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 07-26-2003]