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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Er, no. The King James bible is known to be one of the least accurate, though also one of the most beautiful, versions of the bible. The NRSV is better. Sorry I don't believe that Jesus was a son of God. I believe He was The only begotten Son of God. I also believe God has many sons and daughters, who are born of the Spirit. Those are just a couple of things I have a problem with in the NRSV. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Every science book teaches you about God's Creation. Science book's teaches that I evolved from a single cell life form that no one knows where it came from, or how it came into existence. This teaches I have a body and mind. God's book says that God created man in his own image. That would be flesh, Spirit and Mind (intelligence) It teaches me that if man's Spirit is born again he will spend eternity with Him. That makes the two versions incompatable. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Why are you so afraid of knowledge, ICANT? What makes you think I am afraid of knowledge? Is that just because I will not accept everything that your God of Science teaches? Your God of Science cannot tell you where the universe came from, how or why. Your God of Science cannot tell you where life came from, how or why. Your God of Science cannot tell you when the beginning was. 14 billion or 20 billion YA or inbetween. Next year what will it be?Or the year after or etc. Yet you want me to believe your God of Science is infallable. My God of Heaven says He created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. That He created man in His image. That he created every living thing on earth. That He created man to Love and obey Him by choice. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yeah, but the question was which Bible is the most accurate, wasn't it? If you prefer to believe a less accurate bible because you simply prefer it, then you don't actually care about accuracy.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Like I said:
But we already know that you would rather remain ignorant of the wonders of His Creation that you can see, touch, smell, hear, and taste, and instead prefer to revere the pre-scientific explanations of natural phenomena in an ancient tome.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: There is no "God of science" and nobody is asking you to accept it blindly. However, you have not even once, since you've been here, extended yourself to even attempt to learn anything about biology or evolution. You recoil from it, in fact. Thus, my question about your fear of knowledge. You have never asked questions and really been open to the answers. All your questions have been asked in a scoffing tone, with all the arrogant confidence of someone who has already decided they already know the answer. Such arrogance and ignorance are often observed together, I've noticed. You have made outrageous unsupported accusations claiming Biologists are perpetrating widespread fraud and conspiracy, yet have not the personal integrity to retract them.
quote: So what? Just becasue we do not have perfect knowledge of everything doesn't mean we know nothing at all about anything. We DO KNOW how life changed on Earth, just as we know that the sun is the center of the solar system, that germs cause disease, and that matter is made of atoms.
quote: Hardly. Science, being a humanmade method, is imperfect and will always be such. However, unlike your fallible human interpretation of the Bible, science is set up to improve and correct itself. Your dogma is unchanging and static. Science, by contrast, is constantly getting more and more accurate as we improve our methods and increase our knowledge. But this is not a battle between science and religion, of course. You can certainly believe that your God is the architect of Evolution, created the Universe and the first life, too. None of that affects Cosmology or Evolutionary Biology one bit. But if you deny the reality of God's Creation, insisting that what is written in a 2000 year old pre-scientific book of philosophy must trump the actual rocks, stars, plants, and animals that He created... Well, then, it seems to me that you are engaging in an extreme act of hubris by refusing to accept the reality of God's Creation.
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6042 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
quote: Actually, doesn't that make them fully compatible and wonderfully complementary? Science deals with body and mind, Religion deals spirit. Surely you don't deny you have a body and mind? Science is great at telling us about those things.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
ICANT writes: Now I know that most of you cannot relate to what I believe. You think it is a myth, some even call it a lie, some would say I am deluded. But if when I die that is all there is to it what have I lost? According to my religion, you have lost everything. By denying the reality which God has shown you, God's creation, you have chosen to permanently separate yourself from God. By worshiping a book instead of God, you have violated a commandment within that very book. By worshiping a book instead of God and possibly intentionally deceiving yourself and others in the process, you may have violated another commandment within that very book. By not seeing the contradiction involved with the two above conditions, it is likely that you have willingly forfeited any chance to become a part of God after death according to my religion. Good luck with your wager, if I am right, you're gonna need it.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5551 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
What makes you think I am afraid of knowledge? Is that just because I will not accept everything that your God of Science teaches? Your God of Science cannot tell you where the universe came from, how or why. Your God of Science cannot tell you where life came from, how or why. Your God of Science cannot tell you when the beginning was. 14 billion or 20 billion YA or inbetween. Next year what will it be?Or the year after or etc. Yet you want me to believe your God of Science is infallable. Science gives us only partial information, it is true. But the information science gives us is taken directly from god`s creation -- the world itself. That`s the only incontestable source of information about god we have
My God of Heaven says He created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. That He created man in His image. That he created every living thing on earth. That He created man to Love and obey Him by choice. Did your god of heaven say that to you? or did you read it in a book you would have us believe to be the word of god? Sorry but that simply isn`t credable. I thin k it is clear that if is better to have some well founded partial information then some baseless information.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
But this is not a battle between science and religion, of course. Science says one day it will prove to be true. We will figure it out maybe. God says in His Word that one day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. If that day does not ever come then I will have been proven wrong. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: In the mean time though, you will continue to deny the reality of God's Creation in favor of the explanations of natural phenomena found in a 2000 year old pre-scientific book of philosophy. Like I said. You fear knowledge.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5226 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
ICAN'T,
So, is it true God can do anything but cannot lie? Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Remember when you quoted Francis Collins in support of an argument?
Here's what he has to say about your beliefs:
My heart goes out to sincere believers who feel threatened by evolution and who feel that they have to maintain their position against it in order to prove their allegiance to God. But if God used this process and gave us the chance to discover it, then it seems anachronistic, to say the least, that we would feel we have to defend him against our own scientific conclusions. God is the author of all truth. You can find him in the laboratory as well as in the cathedral. He's the God of the Bible; he's the God of the genome. He did it all.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
So, is it true God can do anything but cannot lie? I say God will not lie, but He is capable of doing anything. Mark,I am capable of blowing someone's brains out with my 44 magnum but I will not.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Here's what he has to say about your beliefs: nator, I could care less about what Francis Collins has to say about my beliefs. I could care less about what anybody has to say about what I believe. I have already been judged as to where I will spend eternity as Jesus said: "I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish" {quoteJohn 3:18 (KJS) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.[/quote]
I already have a home in Heaven.But I must be judged as to how I have used the talents that God gave me, and be rewarded accordingly. I will not be judged by what someone thinks. I will be judged out of the books of God. The only thing that matters is what God thinks and says. The only thing that matters is to hear Jesus say, "well done my good and faithful servant enter into the joys of thy Lord". "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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