Biblical contradictions II

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My question to you is..... Do you want a REAL hearing?

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The question to you is "Do you intend to contribute anything new to the discussion or just preach?"

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You have set the recipient of your accusation up as a Red-Herring.

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I dare you to interpret that sentence in such a way as to make sense.

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As Christians we are simply giving you what is written in the Bible.

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Actually, it isn't the Christians giving what is written in the Bible. It is the hell-bound devil worshipping athe-ostics. The Christian contribution so far has been to bend over backwards to make the Bible say what it quite literally does not.

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We believe it, and at present you do not.

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hmmm.... insightful.

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We do not dismiss all who disagree. They dismiss themselves due to a lack of belief in what the Bible says.

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May I suggest that you read these two sentences again? Sentence one: We don't dismiss people who disagree. Sentence two: We dismiss people who disagree. Doesn't matter how you word it.

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As for our "self-impossed" ignorance, as a Bible believing Christian, you are correct.

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I need to get this framed. Are you proud of this, by chance?

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We do not choose to stand on our own understanding of why we are here.

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Yes. Actually, you do. It is your understanding that leads to your belief. You cannot pass the buck to Jesus, or to the Bible. You decide what you believe.

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Do not be fooled...... you do not have any better answers for our existence on this earth than what is written in the Bible.

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Lol... yes I do. I have thousands. Every culture out there has cooked up a pretty good story-- some of them quite good. For sheer psychological and philosophical insight Hinduism is light years ahead of your Good Book. It isn't hard to do better than "Do what God says or get spanked."

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And even then, you still have to resist the urge to question what happens when your earthly body ceases to breathe anymore.

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hmmm... no, I don't have to resist the urge.------------------
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Excuse me for being picky, as I wasn't going to impose my concerns about spelling on anyone else, but at this point, everyone's culturally-imposed ignorance of the spelling of imposed is being repeated so much that it will be a truthlover-imposed ignorance if I don't say something soon. ;->

Lol... so THAT is how that got started. oops!I couldn't figure it out. I kept seeing this weird spelling in quotes, and thinking "What's with the weird spelling?"You type a double letter and all hell breaks loose.------------------
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And now my conclusion as to if God lied ;
No he did not :"And the Lord God said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat and live forever.Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden."So I think personally, we can logically say that the tree of life was for the everlasting life of Adam and Eve. But as God did not lie, he now intended that man return to the dust he came from and die! So can you deny these words exist in Genesis?Also the serpant did NOT have good intentions, as it said they would become as gods suggesting they would benefit from the tree. But they did not benefit, they were cast out of the garden and had to toil off the land, also there was pain during birth, so was that a good intention by the serpant.I can conclude with the very text that you have refuted nothing concerning the serpant, and from the actual words put here God did not lie!

What I find interesting, Mike, is that you disagree with the very verse that you quote:"And the Lord God said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil."It explicitly states that God said that Adam and Eve had become like God exactly as the serpent said ("ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil" - Genesis 3:5)

Yes but God named it that (the tree), yes they now knew good and evil, but the serpant's intentions were not good as they did not become as God and were miserable as a result. Knowing good and evil, yes I agree with God afterall he named the tree that. You have missed the point, that the serpant did not have good intentions.Also Eve admitts the serpant "beguiled her"
beguile - charm or convince in a deceptive way. So the evidence IS there!

Hi Mike, Actually Mike, that is not necessarily a logical assumption. A & E obviously hadn't eaten of the tree of life, otherwise god wouldn't be so worried that they would do so. So the only logical argument that can be made concerning its presence is that at that time they were still going to die in the manner of all life.If the reason for the tree of life was some future intension of god for A & E, then the question becomes "Why was it a future intension, why didn't he just make them immortal from the beginning?Can you deny that these words exist in Genesis, "..for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"?------------------
Asgara"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

All that shows is that Eve was backpedeling furiously, trying to place the blame on someone else, just as Adam did to her.------------------
Asgara"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

'Can you deny that these words exist in Genesis, "..for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"?'We are all dying this minute, our bodies age and die every day and since there WAS a tree of life it MUST have been there for a reason, however now they had gone against God's will God then and I say THEN kept them away from it as he could no longer trust them as Eve says , the serpant "beguiled her".

No what it shows is that text in genesis shows us the serpant was indeed crafty and had BAD intentions for Adam and Eve. If it had good intentions it would have said 'Do as God says' because then they would not have been miserable and cast out of the garden.

Mike did you actually read the post you replied to ?Did you even read the verses you quoted ?It explicitly states that God said that Adam and Eve HAD become "as God", in exactly the way that the serpent said.So why did you say that Adam and Eve did not become as God ? Was God wrong ? Or is Genesis wrong about what God said ?I didn't miss the point - you are just ignoring the plain meaning of the text even when it is pointed out to you.

Mike,Then what was the purpose of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?------------------
Asgara"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

'I didn't miss the point - you are just ignoring the plain meaning of the text even when it is pointed out to you. 'Paul don't insult my intelligence. I am not ignoring what I qouted your just pissed because I put you right about the tree of life.God said they have become like one of us, KNOWING GOOD AND EVILYes I say again I agree with this but by nit picking your avoiding the fact that I qouted the whole section, which proves God did not lie! However they did not EXACTLY like God as he still had power over them, in other words the serpant was "beguiling"man oh man.lol.

Mike,I don't see where you've put anyone "right" about the tree of life...And you definately haven't shown that god didn't lie.FACT 1 - earlier god had threatened them with death that very day
FACT 2 - the "serpent" said that god lied, they wouldn't die that day but would "become as god knowing good and evil"
FACT 3 - they didn't die that day
FACT 4 - god says "they have become as one of us, knowing good and evil"How this proves that god didn't lie is beyond me.------------------
Asgara"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

'Then what was the purpose of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?'It was clearly different and quite mysterious, the text does not say (I dont think). However God says and warns not to touch it . Now the tree of life had become untouchable aswell because of mans 'shameful fall'.