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Percy
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Message 271 of 453 (562421)
05-28-2010 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by greentwiga
05-28-2010 3:38 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
greentwiga writes:

The first line says gopher wood (Stalks) and the second line says reeds, a typical Hebrew method of writing things in two ways.

Somebody ought to tell all those guys looking for the ark in the mountains of Turkey that they should be looking for reeds, not wood.

My NRSV Bible says "cypress wood" and footnotes it as being of uncertain meaning.

--Percy


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hooah212002
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Message 272 of 453 (562434)
05-28-2010 6:48 PM


Could have sworn I debunked this "reed ark" already....
See Message 198. You {greentwiga} haven't successfuly refuted my response.


"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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Dr Jack
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Message 273 of 453 (562439)
05-28-2010 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by greentwiga
05-28-2010 3:38 PM


Still not reeds
The first line does not say gopher wood (Stalks) it says gopher wood (wood). What "gopher" means no-one knows, but the wood bit means wood, it does not mean "reeds" - as noted by the Creationist source I linked in the last post.

I have no idea what second line you are referring to? The next line says "And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits." Again, no mention of
reeds. What Bible verse are you referencing?

Is it just me, or is nothing more striking about "literalists" than how far from literal their reading of the Bible is?


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Granny Magda
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Message 274 of 453 (562443)
05-28-2010 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by New Cat's Eye
05-28-2010 1:31 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
Hi CS,

Those are indeed pretty damn impressive. The Aztecs used to use a similar set-up as a kind of hydroponic garden. Nonetheless, what I see is a floating platform with some small shacks on it, not a floating zoo with three levels full of rooms. I wouldn't like to keep an elephant on one.

Mutate and Survive


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Message 275 of 453 (562446)
05-28-2010 9:47 PM
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05-28-2010 9:37 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
I wouldn't like to keep an elephant on one.

An elephant? That's no problem.

But what about the dinosaurs we are assured by some that cavorted about with Noah & co.?

Q. What's harder than getting a pregnant Brontosaurus into the ark?

A. Getting a Brontosaurus pregnant in the ark!

(Noah! Make them stop. I'm getting seasick!)

Edited by Coyote, : speeling

Edited by Coyote, : No reason given.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Granny Magda
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Message 276 of 453 (562447)
05-28-2010 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by greentwiga
05-28-2010 1:13 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
Hi Greentwiga,

Well, that word 'rooms' is actually a word that means erect and is a form of the word that means reeds.

Where are you getting that from? Strong's has it as being from the word qen, meaning nest, or figuratively, room.

The word for wood is also translated stalks, and reeds fit the word stalks.

I think you are rather over-egging that;

quote:
Definition
tree, trees, wood

NASB Word Usage
carpenters* (4), framework (1), gallows (9), handle (1), logs (1), shaft (3), stalks (1), stick (8), sticks (3), timber (19), timbers (5), tree (74), trees (71), wild* (1), wood (111), wooden (6).


Source; http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/6086.htm

Also, the only other floating craft called an ark was made of reeds.

Was it? Do tell.

Furthermore, wood boats were only caulked at the seams with tar. The ancient reed boats and even modern reed objects of the area are coated inside and out with a mixture of tar and pitch.

Either that or the author of Gen 6:14 wasn't particularly concerned with the details of ship construction.

Large craft could have several stories.

Can you provide an example?

Mutate and Survive


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greentwiga
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Message 277 of 453 (562449)
05-28-2010 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by hooah212002
05-28-2010 6:48 PM


Re: Could have sworn I debunked this "reed ark" already....
The Tigris was longer than Ra II. What is more important is that we forgot much of the trade secrets used by the Sumerians. The built standard sizes, the 100 and the 300. The bills of lading that we have for a single ocean going ship show it must have been of considerable size. The stayed in the water for considerable times. We have tar chips that have impressions of reeds on one side and barnacles on the other. I am not claiming that the standard size was 300 cubits, just that they were large and sturdy.
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greentwiga
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Message 278 of 453 (562450)
05-28-2010 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Granny Magda
05-28-2010 9:52 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
Google search for Iraqi marsh arab reed mosques. that is the closest I can come to modern examples of tall reed structures on reed rafts. Otherwise we would have to look at the giant greek and roman barges that had several stories above the boat part.
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Message 279 of 453 (562452)
05-28-2010 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by greentwiga
05-28-2010 10:49 PM


Re: Could have sworn I debunked this "reed ark" already....
Source please? Your assertion means fuck all to me.


"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 280 of 453 (562453)
05-28-2010 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by greentwiga
05-28-2010 10:52 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
Google search for Iraqi marsh arab reed mosques.

How's about YOU do the google search and back up YOUR claims. Everyone else here has done so to debunk your hairbrained ass idea, you could at least put in a smidgeon of the same effort.


"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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greentwiga
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Message 281 of 453 (562455)
05-28-2010 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Granny Magda
05-28-2010 9:52 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
You mention 7064 as being nest or compartments. Compare that to 7070 (strongs) where the similar word is reeds. Strongs claims the word is from a different word, also meaning erect, but the Schocken Bible translates it as reeds, not rooms. The relationship is close enough and the language is often from such ancient sources, that reed is also a reasonable interpretation.
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greentwiga
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Message 282 of 453 (562456)
05-28-2010 11:27 PM
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05-28-2010 11:13 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
Please, I have responded reasonably to you.

Here is one site:

http://www.bibleorigins.net/ReedHutShrinesMesopotamian.html

It seemed well researched.


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Message 283 of 453 (562457)
05-28-2010 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by greentwiga
05-28-2010 11:27 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
You're NOT new here, so I don't feel as though I should have to tell you how shit works. Is the site you spammed me where you got your information from? I shouldn't have to search through it to find the info you provided. You need to qualify your link with the data you feel is pertinent to your argument.

Please, I have responded reasonably to you.

Bullshit you have.

Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.


"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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greentwiga
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Message 284 of 453 (562469)
05-29-2010 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 283 by hooah212002
05-28-2010 11:40 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
Scroll down and see the huge communal meeting hall made totally out of reeds. Also note the carvings denoting ancient reed shrines.

I have kept my responses to the subject and never gotten personal. Disagree with my points to your hearts content, but please don't be personally derogatory.


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hooah212002
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Message 285 of 453 (562470)
05-29-2010 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 284 by greentwiga
05-29-2010 1:18 AM


Re: anchor stones away ...
Scroll down and see the huge communal meeting hall made totally out of reeds.

How many "kinds" do you suppose that would hold?

Also note the carvings denoting ancient reed shrines.

The link you showed me, they were speculating that they were reed shrines.

your BS link writes:

Could Ea/Enki's shrine have been rectangular too ? Perhaps the earliest shrines were made of reeds or marsh grasses and later of mudbrick ?

your BS link writes:

Another reed hut shrine (?) with totem poles and cattle with calves

*note the question marks because they don't know and are speculating. You fell for the specualtion.

Yep, those could withstand the sea conditions necessary for a global flood AND hold all the animal kinds.

but please don't be personally derogatory.

Would you like me to become personally derogatory? Because I sure as hell haven't yet. i'm calling you out on your bullshit. I'm sorry if you can't handle it.

Wait, no, I'm not sorry.


"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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