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Author Topic:   The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance
iano
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Message 196 of 675 (589402)
11-02-2010 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by jar
11-01-2010 11:43 AM


Re: The Value Of Reading The Bible(s) Today
jar writes:

Any God that can be contained in one Book cannot be very big.

That presupposes you able to exhaust the depths of what it has to say. If supposing you have, it could be that it has exhausted you.


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nwr
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Message 197 of 675 (589410)
11-02-2010 10:36 AM
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11-02-2010 9:02 AM


Re: Why Atheists?
Phat (responding to jar) writes:
You have hinted that you believe that Heaven, if Heaven exists (or the next good place after our physical deaths here on earth) will probably contain many more atheists than it will Christians.

There are certain ways of behaving that we have come to think of as Christian. They are roughly those that are in accordance with the moral teachings of Jesus. People may, for example, use the expression "That's not very Christian of you" when somebody behaves outside those expectations of Christian behavior.

My observation, admittedly informal, is that the behavior of atheists is noticeable more Christian than the behavior of many Christians. And I think that is what jar was commenting on.


Jesus was a liberal hippie

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jar
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Message 198 of 675 (589422)
11-02-2010 12:25 PM
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11-02-2010 9:23 AM


Re: The Value Of Reading The Bible(s) Today
No, it presupposes nothing and yes, you are free to suppose most anything.

Edited by jar, : take out stray coding


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 199 of 675 (589424)
11-02-2010 12:30 PM
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11-02-2010 9:02 AM


Re: Why Atheists?
nwr covers much of it, but there is a far simpler reason. Christianity is a relatively new religion, only been around for 2K years and so the possible number of Christians is small when compared to all the other possibilities.

There will simply be far more atheists, agnostics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Taoist, Buddhists, animists ... that have lived the life of Christ than Christians.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 200 of 675 (589532)
11-03-2010 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by Thugpreacha
11-02-2010 9:02 AM


Public or Great Debate?
Phat and jar,

Is this thread still a Great Debate between only you two or have you invited others to participate or opened it to the public?

Thanks
AdminPD


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Message 201 of 675 (589550)
11-03-2010 10:38 AM
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11-03-2010 9:00 AM


Re: Public or Great Debate?
PD, I never really much cared. It is all up to Phat.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Thugpreacha
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Message 203 of 675 (637401)
10-15-2011 10:28 AM
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11-03-2010 10:38 AM


Re: Public or Great Debate?
I say open this puppy back up! All can now participate. I asked some important questions back in message 22 and onward, and would like to see comments from additional EvC members.

So jar....in your belief, does God have any influence over what we humans decide to do?


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Message 204 of 675 (637406)
10-15-2011 10:57 AM
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10-15-2011 10:28 AM


Re: Public or Great Debate?
Phat writes:

So jar....in your belief, does God have any influence over what we humans decide to do?

No more influence than any other factor.

AbE:

Also, I went back and looked at Message 22 and I saw no questions, important or unimportant, in that message.

Edited by jar, : see AbE for link to message 22


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Thugpreacha
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Message 205 of 675 (637418)
10-15-2011 12:45 PM
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10-15-2011 10:57 AM


Can God Be Indicted By Humanity?
I started discussing the whole "evil god" idea.
phat,message#22 writes:

One thing I don't understand is the evil God thing you keep bringing up.

Lets discuss it

Basically, we then argue the case for Gods foreknowledge making God out to be evil. To this day I still dont quite get the logic of that argument.

If God foreknew that a person would live a life choosing to reject God and/or proper morality and whom would be judged as damned, why does this make God evil? Critics may argue that this person had no other choice, given that their script was already written.

I suppose the only way out of this argument is to say that I don't know what God knows and thus cannot accuse God of being evil.

Nor can anyone else. You don't indict a Supreme Being without having your own ducks in a row, after all.

Edited by Phat, : changed title to reflect forthcoming Jewish philosophy


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jar
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Message 206 of 675 (637419)
10-15-2011 12:57 PM
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10-15-2011 12:45 PM


Re: Can God Be Indicted By Humanity?
Why can I not indict God?

The Bible certainly says that I can.

Genesis 3 writes:

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

Genesis 18 writes:

23And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

24Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

25That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

We are charged to judge even God's behavior and to point out where God is behaving poorly.

If a God knowing creates a critter that will be damned then that God is evil.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Thugpreacha
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Message 207 of 675 (637422)
10-15-2011 1:14 PM
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10-15-2011 12:57 PM


Re: Can God Be Indicted By Humanity?
jar writes:

We are charged to judge even God's behavior and to point out where God is behaving poorly.

Does not this portray an imperfect Deity? While I can admit that the doctrine of Original Sin may be challenged, I certainly can't imagine that suddenly humans are responsible for judging God Himself...unless God somehow plays the role only to teach us something. A God, (THE GOD) by definition of most of club christian is all wise and certainly not prone to making mistakes and/or being judged.

And before you point out the text, that brings up another thing. Why are we limited to defining and explaining God purely on the words of one collection of books known as the Bible? IF God created/imagined humanity before we even had the ability to create/imagine Him in our own minds, shouldn't we be able to question the character of such a Deity? Myself, I prefer to think of a Deity who is wiser, stronger, and more complete than I or any other human is.


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Message 208 of 675 (637423)
10-15-2011 1:24 PM
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10-15-2011 1:14 PM


Re: Can God Be Indicted By Humanity?
HUH?

What is the topic of the thread?

Now you say I should not point out what the Bible actually says?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 209 of 675 (637472)
10-16-2011 12:43 AM


Poe's law
It's taken me long enough but I finally figured it out. Whenever Jar talks about Christianity he's using Poe's Law, but without the smilies. That's what throws eveyone off. Becauae really, the dude hasn't the slightest clue at all what the Bible teaches says or means let alone anything concerning Christianity whatsoever.

THAT much is clear.


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Message 210 of 675 (637480)
10-16-2011 1:46 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Chuck77
10-16-2011 12:43 AM


What Christians are best at
It's taken me long enough but I finally figured it out. Whenever Jar talks about Christianity he's using Poe's Law, but without the smilies. That's what throws eveyone off. Becauae really, the dude hasn't the slightest clue at all what the Bible teaches says or means let alone anything concerning Christianity whatsoever.

THAT much is clear.

Seems like the only thing Christians truly excel at is identifying people they think are the "wrong kind of Christians".

Basically, anyone who disagrees with them on any aspect of the Bible "doesn't know what they are talking about" because (implied statement) "I have a direct line to God and everyone else is just faking it".

Of course, since you all seem to be making the exact same claim and accusing each other of not understanding the true meaning of the word, it leaves the rest of us to assume you are all right in that you are all wrong.

It's the CCOI at it's very best. Actively proving that even other Christians think Christians are woefully ignorant.

Edited by Nuggin, : No reason given.


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Message 211 of 675 (637481)
10-16-2011 1:46 AM
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10-16-2011 12:43 AM


Re: Poe's law
Chuck77 writes:
Becauae really, the dude hasn't the slightest clue at all what the Bible teaches says or means let alone anything concerning Christianity whatsoever.

He probably knows what it says far better than you. As to what it means - that is argued much by theologians and I expect that there is a wide disagreement between you and jar on what it means.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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