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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Jesus it the Truth. Not the 'real world'.
Exactly. The REAL world is not the one men have manufactured with the misconceptions, erroneous perceptions of Reality, or intentional lies. The REAL world is the one God created and within which all life must co-exist with that Reality. That real world is the one that threatens extinction to all species who will not adapt to His ways.Christ is the WAY by which to properly and safely and effective adapt to Reality. Christ is the light of the Truth into that REAL world which men must see and enter if they are to survive extinction as in the days of Noah, when most did not.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
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"Whispering," "hating God," "boasting," none of the things in that list are worthy of death.
[/qds] Paul means the death of our species as in the days of Noah. He is sayingthat unless men learn to love one another, and work for the mutual self interest of mankind, the harch Reality of War, A-Bombs, radiation, etc will drive us to extinction. He is saying that the worst enemy of man is man.And, the proof is that greed and ignorance and self interest has driven other species to the same brink awaiting us:
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
So you agree that killing the whole world is bad...but as long as I leave 8 people alive, I can still be "good?"
You are very naive or else over sensitive and unrealistic if you just can't accept the Facts-of-Life about Evolution. The rule seems to be" Temporary inconvenience for permanent improvement" when Father Naturedrives a sad non adaptive species into extinction and the strong survive.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
So if you kill all humanity bar a select few to keep the line going you define that as good: this being the case can we assume that you would define the actions of fictional character Hugo Drax off of James Bond as good. Aside from considerations of fictionality would his plan of killing all of humanity bar a select few to carry on the line good, also? Yes or no?
So if you kill all dinosaurs bar a select few birds to keep the line going you define that as good: .... would his plan of killing all of dinosaurs bar a select few beautiful and ecologically necessary and useful birds to carry on the line good, also? Yes or no? I think yes.I think the Law of Evolution was a good Law for God to make. Since the on going ever unfolding changing Reality would make it impossible for some species to be anything but tormented, the option to adapt and co-exist with reality seems good.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
If passively disregarding the life of some unformed babies is evil, imagine how evil god must be to actually take an active role in killing MILLIONS of grown children! There is not enough sorrow in the universe to reserve for the monster that is god. This is silly. Once one stands back, and recognizes that the Almighty Power behind this life experience KILLS us all, and every other life form too, sooner or later... you are speaking silly. Extinction is a second death. Extinction is permanent.But in everyother case, the life of the species continues even though the "flowers" fall off the vine in season. Once a Christian understand he actually is born again,... ...and that a christian returns in a re-birth which regenerates his psyche from the code inherent in the Human Gene pool,... ... then, there is no death, no pain, no sorrow in facing the FACT-OF LIFE: Revelation 21:4-5
And God, (blessing them with Total Phylogenetic Consciousness: [Carl Jung]), shall wipe away, (in their awakened Unconscious Mind: [Freudian Hypothesis]), all tears from their eyes, (for life is a genetically remember able, a continuum, we shall remember from one generation to the next living generation); and, (in genetic memories of prior existences held in our Unconscious Mind) there shall be no more death... (For we shall not all "sleep:" [1Co15:51], but total phylogenetic Consciousness will have evolved), neither sorrow... (For we, individually, are part of a living continuum of our own past[s], flowers upon our genetic vine), nor crying,.. (for we are happy in these revelations of reconstitution from our human gene pool), neither shall there be any more pain, (as men will have neurological control, a self-hypnotic ability to stop the nerve signals to the brain),... for the former things (in Modern Homo sapiens paradigm of the life experience) are passed away. And he, (the Christ, the ancient, phylogenetic, Collective Unconscious Mind in their own Kingdom within), that sat upon the throne (within the kingdom of the evolving Homoiousian sapiens' brain: [Luke 17:21]) said, Behold, (in this way, through evolution: [Gen 9:11-18]), I make all things (in human experience) new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true, (i.e.; words of Christ himself, who is the experiential presence of Truth in us, rational, the Unconscious mind), and (worthy of) faithful (belief).
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
I claimed that, if he was responsible for the Flood, then he is evil.
Your problem is reading comprehension. If you actually comprehnded what the Bible says, you would ponder your complete ignorance in regard to what this "god" actually is.You would not speaks so foolishly as to say " if he was responsible for the Flood." You would understand from the book you were reading thaty "he" tells you, EXPLICITLY, that he is good, but nevertheless, he also is responsible for both good things for men and evil consequences they face. To wit: Isa 45:7
I, (almighty Reality), form the light, and create darkness: I, (both Friend and Foe of the living), make peace, and create (the environment for possible great misfortune), evil: I, (both Friend and Foe to life and man), the LORD, (of the living), do all these things, (naturally, through the environmental forces). Clearly, this tells us that the almighty is the force behind the Facts-of-Life.This Reality is all we have. It is foolish to question whether it is good or evil. It is what it is, and we now believe we are to adapt to it or else.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Nothing good in the Bible erases the fact that in Genesis god kills off all but 8 people in the whole world.
Again, this is silly when you identify God as that whole entity we meet at birth, Life, itself. The Facts-of-Life were that, about 40,000 years ago, all mankind went extinct, except Modern Homo sapiens. Clearly, when it is clear that "I am," the reality we face exists, it is this reality and the Facts-of-Life that we must learn to accept and deal with. In fact, Modern man probably was better off in that he survived and flourished in the absence of competition with those other 22 now extinct humans in our ascent.
In fact, this science confirms the meaning of Genesis 6-9:
The "evil" of extinction for Neanderthal man was a blessing for us, I think.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
If Jesus is good why don't we read of His teaching as you are teaching - God of the story of the Noah flood was EVIL !! You see Rahvlin, to condemn God you have to condemn Christ also.Christ mentions Noah and the flood. None of His references to that event discuss the evil of God. WHY NOT Why not?Because of what I have been telling you all... The flood will come again in a different form, one that does not cause the extinct of a body of men who would not adapt, but one that will wash over all the psychological paradigms which the culture has cast over the whole world, werein men are focused on getting a woman and divorcing her for others again and again while they satisfy their fleash with every food of pleasure. What is coming is The Truth, suddenly available everywhere instantly such as to drive the previous paradigms into extinction and raising up new creatures in the Reality of this God, who is the almighty Force behind life. In the light of that Truth, men will become as if new creatures working as intended, having "dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
I was responding to a typical put down of believers, Crash, couldn't you leave it at that? I really do think that if you recognize that someone is not stupid but does think things through, that that should be some reason to seriously consider their opinion about certain subjects. I see by the rest of your post that's a naive expectation but it still seems to me to be a reasonable opinion. I was once an atheist myself, for most of my life, so when I became a believer I already knew most of the arguments, and once I knew the Bible is God's word I knew it in a way that is very solid.
But isn't the atheist really denigrating your faith in the Bible by ridiculing what it says in comparison to academic and scientific knowledge used gainst the way you have decided to understand Genesis, in particular??? I mean, they have a weak case today in disputing that Sexual Immorality is destructive of fmikies and children in America and essentially weakening the Nation by imposing a $1 trillion dollar annnual Welfare expenditure while packing the cities with violent kids being raised father lessly by Single Mothers.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Christianity in total is a minority belief - the majority of people on the planet believe something different to Christians.
These are merely the twelve (12) different groups or "tribes" in the present Global Village which represent the 12 foundation walls for the coming New Jerusalem which encases the world because he comes who will explain what the Bible actually says, in spite everyone of these 12 groups think they know. Rev. 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious (livimn) stones. The first foundation was (Christianity) jasper; the second (Muslim), sapphire; the third, (Hindus), a chalcedony; the fourth, (non-religious), an emerald; Rev. 21:20 The fifth, (Jews), sardonyx; the sixth, (New Religious), sardius; the seventh, (Ethno-religious), chrysolite; the eighth, (Buddhists), beryl; the ninth, (the Chinese folk), a topaz; the tenth, (Sikhs), a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, (Others), a jacinth; the twelfth, (Atheists), an amethyst. 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
No, I just like people and therefore wish that no harm should come to them. I don't need to feel an obligation to an abstract "something" which tells me to love my neighbor, I can take a short-cut and feel an obligation to my neighbor to love my neighbor. This seems to me to work out better than imagining what might please the sadistic lunatic portrayed in the Bible.
If you practice what you preach here you are just a practicing whatreligious teahers have been trying to get others to do. Apparently, most all people, but you, need those lessons.So why knock the efforts oif people who just want more people to abide your philosophy???? Romans 13:10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Galatians 5:14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself James 2:8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
You agree with Calvin, then, that God is the mastermind behind every crime, the Fuehrer behind every genocide, the secret spirit that engorges the penis of every rapist, the hidden hand that throttles each murder victim, and the voice of the serpent in the garden? --- that none of these things would happen without him positively willing and decreeing that they should occur?
I do not know whether Calvin said such at thing or whether you interpret it as to naturlly follow from whatever he did actually say, but just in general, if men do not repent from the way they think, the deeds will naturally follow. I mean, if the person who plays wity fire doesn't actually light up something that is criminal, or if he gives vent to his the libidina passions and ends up commiting sex crimes, it all seems reasonably to have been predictable and te ends preordained in that sense, doesn't it????l
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Revelation says that the Woman seated upon the beast is the "Mother of harlots" .
...but she sits upon the ancient beast of Civilization that existed from the days of Egypt: Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away (in the spirit of thought), into the wilderness (of my imagination) and I saw (as if) a woman, ... .... (those who have Institutionalized a system of sexual seduction into a failed matrimony), sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (of a brazen and corrupt sexually misdirected economic system: [Dan 3:1-5]), full of names of (Pagan) blasphemy, having seven heads:(which existed in (1) Egypt, (2) Assyria, (3) Babylon, (4) Persia/Mede, (5) Greece, (6) Rome (7) the whole of Western Culture to follow)... ... having ten horns upon these seven heads:(1. Undivided Empire; capital Rome: [305 AD], 2. Western Roman Empire: (Romulus Augustus): [to 476 AD], 3. Eastern Roman: Byzantine Empire, [1453 AD] 4. Charlemagne, [800 - 1000 AD] 5. Holy Roman Empire, [1200 AD-1492 AD] 6. Italy, [Renaissance, 16th century] 7. Spain, [17th century] 8. France, [18th-19th Century] 9. Britain, [19th-20th century] 10. Nazi Germany, [20th century]) 11. America next? In 1960, America saw Feminism arise and the whole body of the women in the USA changed the sexual mores into the proverbial "Whoredom" of the Gentile world which Moses and the patriarchs abhorred.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Christianity in general began a decline from a 1000 years of mandatory attendance.
It was slowly reduced to what has become 20% church attendance in RCC Europe and 50% in Protestant America.The beast of Roman and Greek Culture arose again in a Renaissance that brought back attention to the sexuality of our species which the prudence of the church had previously overcome: Rev. 20:3 And cast him, (this dragon, the subtle cultural system of exploitative sexual mores, that old serpent, cultural Paganism), into the bottomless pit (of time), and shut him, (Satan), up (1000 years so as to inhibit the culture of libidinal freedom and sexual excess), and set a seal, (THE CROSS), upon him, that he (could not maintain that pagan, astrological/mythological promiscuous religious subculture that) should deceive the nations (in the Western world) no more (with his pagan culture), ...
... till the thousand years (of the Dark Age of Monasticism) should be fulfilled (and the Renaissance of the Beast begin):
and after that, (in The Renaissance), he must be loosed (to open the adolescent subculture of ever increasing sexual permissiveness) a little season (since the end of the singular one Church over all Rome). Its just factual history come true in prophecy.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3851 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
There is the difference in the purpose of the killing. These people in the flood were not killed because they were all of some ethinic racial group. It was not because they were all Armenians, or all Jews, or all Gypsies. The thing binding them together in one group was not anything about race or ethnicity. Granted, still they were drowned by God's flood. It was the wickedness of their lives which He would no longer tolerate. Race and ethincity was not a factor.
In supporting the lies and ancient misconceptions about what genesis says in regard to the Creationism the church people try to stone wall as an alternative to the facts of Evolution you force the God of the Bible to appear heartless and evil, simply because you ignore one of his NaturaL Laws is Survival of the Fittest and another is that every species MUST bow to his ever changing unfolding reality or become Extinct. Clearly, the dinosaurs disappeared as did Neanderthal man with the "flood" of modern man Out-of-Africa 40,000 years of "days and nights" ago. If the church keeps supporting what is now a lie concerning these facts, their "God" will become a devil who is beyond explanation to the next generations who can only see the elimination of children, women, and a whole world of people as evil, rather than evolution at work.
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