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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Except that segregation wasn't God's law, but gay weddings are a violation of God's law. By the Bible that is.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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say there are and a couple of black men come into my bakery wanting to order a special cake that says "Off Whitey" on it. Now, it is most likely only blacks who would order such a cake so if I refuse to fill that order I am discriminating against blacks, who are a protected class, even though, again, I'd sell them anything else in the bakery and happily make a special-order cake that I didn't consider offensive? Do you (hypothetically) sell racially offensive cakes to white people and hispanic people and Jewish people? If so, then there may be an issue. However, if you refuse everybody who asks for racially offensive cakes equally, then it's not an issue at all.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK, so nobody is going to allow Christians our Biblical stand against gay marriage. So be it. End of religious freedom in America.
Five cases of Christian business refusal to provide a service for a gay wedding, five sued, one fined. And counting. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Excellent. The real Christian values of loving thy neighbour have got a little bit closer; whilst the superstitious, bigoted and medieval beliefs of the crazies that believe Gods talk to them personally are pushed further away.
Another few hundred years and we may yet achieve the kind of society that Jesus would approve of. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
it is not loving your neighbor to approve of sin that is going to take them to an eternity of suffering, loving your neighbor means calling sin sin.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Except that segregation wasn't God's law That's not what the segregationist said.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
it is not loving your neighbor to approve of sin that is going to take them to an eternity of suffering, loving your neighbor means calling sin sin. You may have a point if the baker required every single one of his clients to fill out a lengthy questionairre that delved into what sins the client may or may not have committed, and then doled out cakes according to which clients had not committed sins.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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OK, so nobody is going to allow Christians our Biblical stand against gay marriage. Where in the Bible does it say not to sell cakes to gay people?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm talking about doing anything that SUPPORTS sin, not some requirement to confront every sinner that walks in the door, which is everybody. To provide a service for a gay wedding is to do something that supports sin, treats it as not a sin. That's why we don't want to do it. Selling baked goods of any other sort to any kind of sinner does not do anything to support the sin, but providing a service that specifically supports the sin of gay marriage does.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
To provide a service for a gay wedding is to do something that supports sin, treats it as not a sin. Since when? Where in the Bible does it say that if you bake someone a cake that you are supporting their sin?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
OK, so nobody is going to allow Christians our Biblical stand against gay marriage. As a matter of fact EVERYBODY is going to allow Christians your Biblical stand against gay marriage. We feel very strongly that you are allowed to do this. You are confusing being forbidden from refusing to provide certain services to certain classes while also providing those same services to other classes with being forbidden to take a stand. You are welcome to take a stand in front the US courts if you like.Or you can stay on the right side of law, and the commonly agreed norms of decency, and stop providing those specific products or services you cannot serve to one class, to anybody. You can keep on with other services such as portrait work, birthday cakes, DJing for corporate gigs. And you get to say and write whatever the heck you like, more or less! End of religious freedom in America. They came for the atheist ending their freedom by saying 'you will not discriminate on grounds of religion'.Then they came for the xenophobe saying 'you will not discriminate on grounds of nationality' Then it was the racists...the colourists, the sexist and the ableist. And when they came for the homophobes, I mean homomisians, homosyzygyadiakoneoists?? No Abrahamians! Erm, Christians, no Protestants, no evangelical conservative Christians. Wait got it. And when they came for the True Christians, there was nobody with any freedom left to fight for them. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Righto, as I said, though you preferred to ignore the obvious context, so I'll repeat it complete with context: OK, so nobody is going to allow Christians our Biblical stand against gay marriage by refusing to serve a gay wedding.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Read the thread, Taq, it's all there.
A WEDDING cake for a gay wedding would be supporting the sin of gay marriage. A wedding cake is no ordinary cake.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Read the thread, Taq, it's all there. A WEDDING cake for a gay wedding would be supporting the sin of gay marriage. A wedding cake is no ordinary cake. Read the Bible. Where in the Bible does it say that baking a cake for a gay wedding is the same as supporting homosexuality?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Righto, as I said, though you preferred to ignore the obvious context, so I'll repeat it complete with context: OK, so nobody is going to allow Christians our Biblical stand against gay marriage by refusing to serve a gay wedding. First, you would have to point to where the Bible forbids christians from selling a cake to a gay couple for their wedding. Second, you would need to show that religious freedoms includes the right to discriminate as part of a business. Edited by Taq, : No reason given. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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