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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm sure I'd help out anyone who had been beaten and left dying in the road, Taq, homosexual or whoever it was. If they get shot while entering my bakery I'd also call 911 and do what I could to stop the bleeding. Any comparison with the state's punishing me for refusing to honor a gay wedding is ludicrous to an extreme.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
As I said, you refuse to recognize Christian theology. You would have to show me some christian theology in order for me to refuse it. You haven't shown me any.
What I've given of my beliefs is shared by at least five Christian business owners in five different states who have been sued for having those beliefs. There where shared beliefs between hundreds of thousands of christian segregationists, as well. Numbers do not mean you are right.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As I recall nobody fought the desegregation law once it was in place, because it was not a law of God but in fact a violation of a law of God.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
As I recall nobody fought the desegregation law once it was in place, because it was not a law of God but in fact a violation of a law of God. Where is the law of God that forbids christians from baking cakes for gay weddings?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You would have to show me some christian theology in order for me to refuse it. You haven't shown me any. Absolutely not true. You do not have to recognize it in order to refuse it. You do not have to agree with it, you do not have to have a clue to it no matter how many times it's been explained to you. As I already said way back there the freedom of religion does not depend on anybody's agreeing with our beliefs, the whole point is to tolerate disagreement. And in this case even the inability to grasp the simplest points about our beliefs. You don't have to understand a thing about what Christians believe for Christians to have a claim to religious freedom.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Where is the law of God that forbids christians from baking cakes for gay weddings? Nowhere you'll ever see or understand.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What I've given of my beliefs is shared by at least five Christian business owners in five different states who have been sued for having those beliefs. Yeah that's proof... Heaven's Gate - Wikipedia(religious_group)
quote: Taq writes: Where is the law of God that forbids christians from baking cakes for gay weddings?
Faith writes: Nowhere you'll ever see or understand. Ah, so it's inside your head! Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Nowhere you'll ever see or understand. It must be next to the command to keep blacks and whites separate.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's proof that I'm not alone in my beliefs by a long shot. What is it you think you are proving?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Absolutely not true. You do not have to recognize it in order to refuse it. All you have put forth is your own prejudices.
As I already said way back there the freedom of religion does not depend on anybody's agreeing with our beliefs, the whole point is to tolerate disagreement. That freedom of religion stops when you start taking away the freedoms of other people. You do realize that, don't you?
And in this case even the inability to grasp the simplest points about our beliefs. I grasp your beliefs just fine. Your beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with the Bible. They have to do with your prejudices, and your need to punish gay people by treating them as second class citizens. You hide behind the Bible, as if that will cover up your bigotry. Jesus wept.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It's proof that I'm not alone in my beliefs by a long shot. What is it you think you are proving? I'm pretty sure I've demonstrated that ignorance loves company. Bigots never seem to have any problem finding like minded bretheren.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
As I recall nobody fought the desegregation law once it was in place,
Stunning. Absolutely stunning. Willful ignorance or just cluelessness?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Buzsaw was insisting otherwise throughout his time here. It took until the year 2000 for Bob Jones University to drop their ban on inter-racial dating. And then there was the opposition to desegregationg schools, busing pupils in:
For the 1975—76 school year, the Louisville, Kentucky school district, which was not integrated due to whites largely moving to the suburbs, was forced to start a busing program.[3] The first day, 1,000 protestors rallied against the busing, and a few days into the process, 8,000 to 10,000 whites from Jefferson County, Kentucky, many teenagers, rallied at the district's high schools and fought with police trying to break up the crowds.[3] Police cars were vandalized, 200 were arrested, and people were hurt in the melee, but despite further rallies being banned the next day by Louisville's mayor, demonstrators showed up to the schools the following day.[3] Kentucky Governor Julian Carroll sent 1,800 members of the Kentucky National Guard and stationed them on every bus.[3] On September 26, 1975, 400 protestors held a rally at Southern High School, which was broken up by police tear gas, followed by a rally of 8,000 the next day, who marched led by a woman in a wheelchair to prevent police reprisals while cameras were running.[3] Despite the protests, Louisville's busing program continued
Wikipedia Desegregation was a hot issue.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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I accept that you genuinely believe that yours is the one true God, that your actions are based on your sincere belief that this is His will and that you thus believe such actions to be divinely jusified.
I also accept that other people who undertake actions we might both find reprehensible (e.g. Muslim suicide bombers) sincerely believe that their actions are the will of the God they genuinely believe to be true and that they consider their actions to be also divinely justified. The probem is that with all this divine justification and proclaimed yet contradictory claims of knowing the will of the true God going on we can't possibly satisfy everyone in the laws we formulate can we? So what do we do? Well we could pick one of these belief systems, sign up to one particular "will of God" and base our laws on that. This is what Islamist fundamentalists who want to impose Shariah law would like. This is presumably what Christians such as yourself would like. We could go the theocracy route. We could do that. Or we could ignore all this self proclaimed knowledge about the will of God and base our laws on the idea that everyone has a right to believe what they want but not to impose their particular beliefs and prejudices on others. This is called the secularist route. Neither option will satisfy everyone. The theocracy route will only please those who follow that very specific and particular form of theism. The secular route will fail to please those such as yourself who think their particular form of theism should hold special privelige. It ultimately boils down to you wanting your belief system to have special privelige and being very upset and frustrated that not everybody else agrees that you and your particular ilk have special knoweldge of the will of God. But every theocratist feels the same.
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