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ringoThat goes without saying.Good people tend not to do evil though.Regards
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Phat"Not that I am GOD nor a part of GOD, but that I am in communion---communication---with Him and with His wisdom."I have claimed apotheosis and direct communication with what I call the Godhead or a universal consciousness and indeed it was wise. It gave me a quick message that has indeed helped me progress spiritually.Tell me your wises message from God communication with you and I will tell you mine.Regards
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FaithYou have quite the sick theology. Care to debate the morality of it?Human sacrifice is evil and your God demanding one and accepting one is evil.You trying to profit from that evil is evil. Do just a bit of thinking and you will agree.Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong — say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change.Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first?In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended? Because God punished Jesus -- his good child -- for the sins of his other children.Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong — you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God?For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant — of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.Do you agree?-------------------------"but nobody earns their way to God by passing some test,"Seems you even call Jesus a liar on this one.Did Jesus not say seek and ye shall find?
Did he not say to knock?Yes he did and those are tests that if passed bear fruit.Regards
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FaithInteresting that you think God can die.Please get chapter and verse that say he can please.Regards
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jarMy my. You sure know a bunch of big words. Being French, I only understand half of them.Back to basics.Tell us what you think creates a jihadist?How do they get their mind set and beliefs?Regards
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GDRNot just the literalist fundamental view but basically the literalist view believed by the vast majority of Christians.For example, I show the immorality of vicarious redemption which is a concept believed by all who say they believe in Jesus as a messiah.That is a part of the creed that all Christians have is it not?Regards
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FaithJust for you and the mystery you believe but say you do not understand.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VsN3IG1HtQRegards
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FaithIOW. You cannot back your statement with anything biblical.Strange that you morals tell you that you have no moral responsibility to prove your false witness.I find your cherry picking dishonest as shown by statements you do not back up and that are refuted by scriptures. For instance -----That God can die, while stating that 1/3 of God can somehow die."only the body dies." while ignoring that God says to fear the one who can kill the soul."His was resurrected" for which you have no proof and if he did then there was no real sacrifice. Right?"He suffered God's withdrawing His presence" If God is one as you say, then he cannot get away from himself any more that you can get away from yourself." as Hell is said to be primarily the absence of God." While your scriptures say that God is Omni-present.You also say that Jesus was sinless while scriptures say he had to learn from his disobedience and that he threw a fit at the temple which many see as a sin.You also say God does not want or like human sacrifice yet that was his first choice for his first judgement as God even before the first sin.1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sakeEither you are trying to lie to us or scriptures are.Regards
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ringoAre you suggesting that the troops presently fighting and killing jihadists are doing evil?Should we move them out of the area and let ISIS just do whatever it likes?Regards
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Faith"I couldn't care less what ignorant logic-choppers have to say. "You obviously follow this Christian thinking.Martin Luther.
Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.
Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.You definitely do not follow this wiser scripture.1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.You are holding on to what is evil and calling it good.Regards
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FaithThe fact that Christians like you hate those like me who shows that your ilk cannot justify the immoral tenets you follow and that is why you hate us.Come and argue with reason and logic and we will convert you away from following your satanic God.Jesus has a better way for you.Have a look and repent from your evil ways.Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers after God. God here I define God as the best laws and rules to live life with.We believe that those laws and rules, as Jesus said, are found in our minds/hearts.I use the following to try to illustrate this notion. A bit of history and then a mindset and method to do what I promote.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&l...The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=playe...This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8YWhen you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.Regards
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FaithThe last bastion of a loser is to attack the person and not the issues at hand.That aside.As you can see, the serpent is well spoken of in scriptures.Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.Genesis 3 ;3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.I think that the reason Christianity reversed the moral of the Eden story from the elevation of man that the Jews put to it, to a fall that denigrated both the serpent and women, was so that Christianity could justify it's misogynistic policy as well as vilify the serpent cults that were all over the world at that time.You should remember that, according to your religion, you are not fit to teach the men here.I class myself as a feminist even though a man, in order to elevate women to the full class citizens they are even though the church says you are second class.You should remember that as you allow your smaller mind to speak.Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor RooseveltRegards
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ringoI agree with the notion that their hearts and minds is what we should conquer.That means education of those minds to a better way of thinking and that means ending the garbage that they are learning today from their holy books.Note how it all comes down to the Qur'an and where the evil starts and as the O.P. pointed out from the beginning.Regards
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mikechellWell put.What of the Qur'an.Do you agree that there would be value in advocating changes within it as possibly suggested by the more peaceful left wing of Islam.Regards
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mikechellThanks for this.I see both books you mention as creating the society we now have which is a homophobic one, slowly moving away from that injustice. --- finally, --- and a misogynous one that is still not ready to grant women equality.Both books are used by churches and mosques to indoctrinate people into their unjust and immoral theologies.That is why I think changing their messages might do us good.I admit that I am not getting much support for my view. Disappointing that.Regards
DLEdited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.