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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Screaming about then. That's what I meant which you should have known. I got sucked into all the rest of the stuff later.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
Then maybe you shouldn't have objected to the court decisions, or started screaming against the idea that non-citizens have Constitutional rights.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Oh, and Trump is right about the lying polls that put his approval rating so low. Definitely fake news. Just as the polls lied about the popularity of the candidates before the election, they are lying about this too. They were right before the election. Clinton was more popular. Which is why she got more votes, remember? And it is entirely plausible that his already low popularity should have taken a further beating from his multiple fuck-ups and failures.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The pre-election polls had her winning by as much as 98% in some cases. Big fat lies, and they certainly confused the liberals.
Conservatives do not think Trump is failing at anything, only liberals think that, magnifying small things. Every conservative source I tune into thinks he's doing great.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They DON'T have the Constitutional rights I had in mind, you sleazy twister of the truth, and courts that say they do deserve to be screamed at.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The pre-election polls had her winning by as much as 98% in some cases. Linky?
Conservatives do not think Trump is failing at anything, only liberals think that, magnifying small things. Every conservative source I tune into thinks he's doing great. Well, maybe that's how things sound in your echo chamber, but there are plenty of people, even some conservatives, who are not immune to reality. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh, and I don't think she was all that much more popular if at all. I believe there is sufficient evidence already that there was enough election fraud of various kinds to make that a lie too. I believe the long long list of evidence at Frontpagemag that I posted on the Voter fraud thread is enough to make the case despite all the liberal attempts to find fault with it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The liberals are in fact exactly that, immune to reality. And I suppose the "conservatives" you have in mind are the turncoat Republicans. Nothing new in other words.
We maintain our high view of Trump. I'm talking about at least half a dozen radio talk shows, and that many internet sources, counting only the high profile sources. They aren't without criticism of Trump but they are overwhelmingly in favor of him anyway. That's not an echo chamber. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The liberals are in fact exactly that, immune to reality. What's more, they're glue and you're rubber!
I'm talking about at least half a dozen radio talk shows, and that many internet sources, counting only the high profile sources. That's not an echo chamber. It is: and a small one at that.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Small? By what standard? Are you aware that Infowars gets over 40 million listeners, and it was up to 80 million during the election reporting, while some of the "mainstream" news shows get as little as a million? I just heard about one conservative broadcaster who gets 90 million, I'll have to find out more about him.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
So when you reply to the assertion that
The problem with your argument is that regardless of what the statute says, the Constitution requires due process
Message 133 With
The Constitution does not apply to noncitizens of America. I can hardly believe anyone would make such a claim
Message 134 Now I will admit that you went on to say
There is no such thing as a right for noncitizens to enter this country.
But that is not what NoNukes said, and you still denied the existence of Due Process rights. And let us note that I corrected you on that issue Message 140 So, your opponents invoked Due Process rights from the Constitution and you denied the existence of any Constitutional rights for non-citizens. The fact that you also mischaracterised your opponent's arguments does not make me dishonest - it is just another example of your dishonesty.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Oh, and I don't think she was all that much more popular if at all. I believe there is sufficient evidence already that there was enough election fraud of various kinds to make that a lie too. I believe the long long list of evidence at Frontpagemag that I posted on the Voter fraud thread is enough to make the case despite all the liberal attempts to find fault with it. So if the polls before the election, the election results, and the polls after the election all tell the same story of his unpopularity, then they must all be lies. 'Cos the unthinkable alternative is that the world doesn't exactly conform to your prejudices. Here's an anti-Trump demonstration:
Here's a pro-Trump demonstration:
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Small? By what standard? Are you aware that Infowars gets over 40 million listeners, and it was up to 80 million during the election reporting ... Where did you get that number? Did you hear it on ... Infowars? Just a guess. Do you believe everything else they say, like the stuff about Bush being behind 9/11?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The definition of a citizen now includes anyone born within the country, as it should. The definition is because of the 14th amendment.
The way slaves were "foreigners" is not the same as the way Iraqi nationals are foreigners or aliens who have crossed our borders illegally. People with green cards did not obtain them illegally either. The point is what the definition of "person" means, and quite clearly citizens as used in the 14th Amendment is a subset.
The question is whether the amendment was intended to apply to anyone without a legal right to be here. Not quite. What the Trump's order does (in part) is declare rights that folks already had to be here are null and void without due process.
he way slaves were "foreigners" is not the same as the way Iraqi nationals are foreigners or aliens who have crossed our borders illegally. Slaves actually had fewer rights that they would have if they could prove exactly which country they had originated from. But according to the Dred Scott decision, not having any records of their origins meant that slaves did not have even the rights foreigners had. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2507 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Modulous writes: Trump has not issued an order to specifically target those that believe attacking the United States is a good idea, supported by his God and/or intends or plans to do this. Indeed, much of this is already covered and Trump doesn't need to impose such an order. You seem to agree with the point I've made to others; that there is already discrimination against certain religious beliefs in immigration policy. So far, the constitution has allowed it. Trump is certainly on dodgy ground in singling out nations, apparently, because of a 1965 law that forbids discrimination in immigration based on nationality. That only applies to immigrants, though, and not other travellers
Modulous writes: Denying someone who was a threat to the US or its citizens is permissible - as Congress has given the President the power to do this. Congress has not given the President the power to deny the right to travel to the old lady. Denying someone who is a threat, because their religious beliefs inspire them to carry out those threats may be inhibiting religious freedom but is constitutionally allowed because the right to life has been established to outweigh this freedom. It is not religious discrimination unless it is only applied to Muslims or whomever. It would be quite easy to devise a restriction that would officially apply to all religions and ideologies but would only in fact affect Islam. What about a temporary complete ban on any religion or well defined ideological group if members of the group have committed more than twenty separate lethal attacks on unarmed civilians in more than twenty different countries in this century? Sounds quite reasonable on the face of it. Apparently the U.S. law can assess the spirit of Trumps actions, so his silly twittering about Muslims would be helpful against something like the above.
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